Saturday, July 12, 2014

Wayward Kickstarter - Robotech® RPG Tactics™ - Shall we Sell at Gen Con?

There was a whole lotta shit flying around when this project went live last year. I never backed it myself - I just wasn't a big enough Robotech fan to justify it.

So now, it's late. Sure, it took in over $1.4 million - but I'm sure that just fucked up delivery time due to the sheer scale of the project.

Today's update is about how shipping will soon begin. And how Kevin plans to bring copies of the game to Gen Con to sell before backers get their copies. BUT WAIT! You can vote NO in the comments section, and if the majority of the backers vote no, they won't sell copies at Gen Con (note - failure to vote by the 21st will count as a YES vote).

It's a huge update - really. Here's just two pieces:(link for full update text)

Gen Con Indy is on the horizon. It is the largest gaming convention for this hobby in the country. I announced we are planning to bring some Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product to sell. A few hundred of six items: the main box game, four of the expansion packs (Tomahawk/Defender Destroids, Regult Battlepods, Artillery Battlepods, and Glaug Command) and the rule book. That would mean a few hundred people will get these items before most of the 5,200+ Kickstarter backers, and around the same time as the first backers are receiving theirs in the mail.

That was a tough decision for me to make. Here is how and why I made it:

● We will begin shipping Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to Kickstarter backers before we leave for Gen Con Indy.

● We will have people continuing to prep, package and ship Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to Kickstarter backers while the rest of us are at Gen Con.

● Bringing or not bringing Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to sell at Gen Con will NOT make any difference to shipping to Kickstarter backers. If we were to leave that product at our warehouse instead of taking it to Gen Con, not one single Kickstarter backer would get his or her rewards any sooner.

● Shipping to our Kickstarter backers will take what we estimate to be 3-4 weeks, maybe longer. We are NOT Amazon.com. We can’t ship what we estimate will be 7,000-9,000 packages (those add-ons and exclusives add up) in a few days, even with the upgrades we are making to our shipping system.

● Palladium is NOT shipping to distributors or to retail stores until after all the Wave One Kickstarter backer rewards have left our warehouse.

● We are not selling any Kickstarter exclusives, just the basic items listed above. Only a few hundred people will be able to buy them, as quantities will be limited.

● We have been promising for months that we would have Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product to sell at Gen Con. People have made travel plans, hotel reservations, bought tickets to Gen Con, etc., counting on it being available at Gen Con. We thought we’d have plenty of time to ship to backers before Gen Con, but the product is coming months later than we thought it would. If we could push back Gen Con, we would, but obviously we can’t.

● Gen Con Indy is critical to a successful product launch in the Fall. Having a major game like Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to show, demo and sell is HUGE. It creates buzz, attracts media attention, and is vital to the upcoming big, full scale retail push this Fall. We NEED to do this for the good of the product line. And there is so much more we want to release: more mecha, aircraft and combat vehicles, additional eras of Robotech® and their mecha, and so much more. Isn't this what we all want?

Though I feared making product available to even just a few hundred gamers at Gen Con, I believe the vast majority of you, our backers, will understand why this is a necessity and be okay with it.

and then there is "The Vote":

You are important to us.

We do respect and appreciate you.

So we are asking for YOUR permission.

We humbly ask, may we please sell some Robotech® RPG Tactics™ at Gen Con Indy? It’s only a few hundred of six items: the main box game, four of the expansion packs (Tomahawk/Defender Destroids, Regult Battlepods, Artillery Battlepods, and Glaug Command) and the rule book.

Post your “Yes” or “No” in the comments on this Update by Monday, July 21st. Please try to restrict your comments on this Update to “yes” or “no” votes, so that we can count them more accurately. There are plenty of other places to discuss your opinions about this voting process, the lateness of the rewards, or anything else.

If the majority of you say “no,” we will NOT bring Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to Gen Con Indy, except for the purpose of display and demos.

I implore you to say “yes.” Please give us your permission. We believe it would be disastrous not to have the small selection of items I've listed available for sale. Not having them will hurt the launch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and Palladium Books.

Please make your voices heard. If you are totally opposed to us selling Robotech® RPG Tactics™ at Gen Con, tell us. Do NOT sit back and be silent. Spread the word that we want every backer to make their voices heard.

Anyone who does NOT respond by July 21st, we will consider to be a “yes.”

Some may say that it is not fair to count non-responses as “yes” votes. After all, it may well be that more than half of the 5,000+ Kickstarter backers won’t respond at all. But that would say something, too: That the majority of backers aren't that worried or upset about this. If you are, please let us know. We need to know. All the more reason you need to spread the word and make sure every backer reads this Update and makes their opinion known.

But we sincerely want your clear permission, so if it is okay with you, please vote “yes.”

More Palladium drama.

But, 854 comments on today's post already.

Some of the "No Vote" are quite - vocal.

Yes will will, but No is more entertaining by far...


  1. You know it seems dickish but I totally can understand why they want to bring this to Gen Con.. I mean this is the BIG ONE as far as Cons go and if you want your product to be out there you have to have a presence..

    1. the idea of the vote is more dickish than the actual selling at Gen Con - 9 days to vote for over 5k backers? non-voters carried as yes votes?

      there is no way this vote was going to be carried by the "no's"

  2. I hate to say it but palladium's biggest problem has always been the owner/president kevin. Books/ games coming out years late if at all because of bad issues with organization, writers, artists.Cool ideas and unique concepts just left to rot or when they do come out it looks like they were all edited to appear like they were published in the 90's. If anyone told me palladium was kickstarting any project that had 1% of the complexity of this and promised it shipped out in 7 months in time for christmas I would have laughed in there face, It's a small miracle that it's shipping 7 months late!

  3. was / am a huge Robotech fan, but I decided not to back this game for two reasons. I don't trust Palladium to deliver on a project, and that video they posted of an actual play, just ailed to excite me. I am willing to bet they will sell a gen con, regardless of the comment section on the kick starter, its just more Palladium weirdness.
    My only real issue is allot like Jason Vines above, Palladium has great ideas and licences, they just have a horrid track record.

  4. The vote is lame. They should have told their backers clearly why they are bringing product to Gen Con (and they absolutely have to, they are right) and that's that. The same amount of hurt feeling with less bullshit.

  5. I backed it. My vote was no because of the Gen Con crap from last year and the absentee votes count as yes. I did mention that I understand it good business sense, just poor customer service.

    And anyone not thinking there would be delays, what with every reward tier adding mecha of some sort, was being optimistic. Their certainly doing better then Dwimmermount at keeping things rolling dispute delays.

  6. I don't see why they shouldn't sell the base game at GenCon. As KS stated, whether they sell or not, it's not affecting how fast the product will move out of the warehouse.

    and for those who say, they should stay home and not got o GenCon....yeah, try that and see how much of a company you have left.

  7. They need to just count the 'yes' and 'no' votes that are posted and that's it. Counting non-posters as automatic 'yes' votes is wrong.

    Other than that, I don't see a problem with any of the rest of it or going to Gen Con first as long as they are true and honest up front about who is getting what and when.


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