WotC has traditionally devalued previous editions of Dungeons & Dragons, favoring the current/upcoming edition. It's arguably the reason we're on edition...5, 6....is 7 already in the works somewhere? It's the reason my beloved HackMaster exists (WotC traded off the rights to 1st & 2nd Edition because they were producing D&D 3.0). Things changed a little bit when Ha$bro figured out they could make a few bucks "reprinting" older AD&D material, really just printed PDFs. I'm of the belief that Ha$bro realized that they could squeeze a little more profit out of "the old stuff", but their focus was on the upcoming edition and this OGL re-write was really to maximize their margin here.
Ha$bro didn't expect the huge backlash largely because they didn't value those earlier editions. They still should have due to how messed up things would be for creators going forward, but that's what happens when marketers and analysts operate in a vacuum. I'm also of the belief that this withdrawal of the current OGL 2.0 is also monetary based in that Ha$bro doesn't want to spend what cash they have on lawsuits, especially when they already have enough bad press. Sales are down for the company and they're laying off 15% of its workforce.....not a good sign, even if WotC is doing (relatively) well.
No, it's lose-lose for the most part. The player base knows that Ha$bro can't be trusted and they know that the player base can, and will, be vocal. Yes, they threw in an olive branch by making the 5.1 SRD a Creative Commons license, but they deliberately left the OGL 1.0a "untouched". I think that if WotC/Ha$bro wanted to really make a statement and address the real elephant in the room they would have come out with OGL 1.0b that simply made the OGL "irrevocable". The 5.1 SRD doesn't do a whole lot if you're making OSR material.....
What I think, and I'm clearly a pessimist, is that Ha$bro is biding it's time. There will be a OGL 2.0 and while it might not be as far-reaching as the last attempt, it will be the end of OGL 1.0a. Ha$bro will make sure they have their ducks in a line, plug any and all leaks that they can, and ram it down our collective throats when they think they can get aways with it. We taught them how not to disseminate bad news to the community, and they probably know who will be the most likely to bring expensive lawsuits. The 5.1 SRD changes might very well be to placate some of these other companies......like why would Paizo care about the OGL if they're covered by the 5.1 SRD? Now this is speculation on my part, I haven't done, and for my sanity probably will never, do a deep dive on Pathfinder &/or the 5.1 SRD.
Now is not the time to sit back and think that this is over and "we've won". Sure, the shelling has stopped....for now, but it can pick back up. At best Ha$bro called for an armistice, not a peace treaty.....
Please, continue to support the smaller publishers that would have been affected by the OGL 2.0 disaster, basically anybody wanting to use the Open RPG Creative License, but also those that are still sticking with the OGL 1.0a.
I hope it'll be years before we have to revisit this...maybe in time for D&D Ten....so maybe 2035?
Just gonna say, not a fan of what Hasbro or WOTC tried to do, but calling them "Ha$bro" just diminishes your point, by making *you* sound petty and childish. Take the high road, and I think you'll find your arguments come across better.ReplyDelete
Agreed - like it or not, Hasbro owns D&D. Could there have been a better way to handle this? Certainly, but all of corporate America makes moves like this to defend their turf and /or ensure sales of new versions of product. If I was still developing, I would be finding another approach that doesn't require a license.Delete
I'm fine with calling them Ha$bro, just like T$R before them. Everybody expects corporations to be greedy; making money is the whole point. But their greed has gotten completely out of control. The OGL shenanigans and the horrendous MTG 30th Anniversary Edition were huge slaps in the face to their customers and no one should give them another penny until the current leadership is replaced.Delete
Came here to say the same thing. Petty and childish.Delete
Good point.....won't change it, but won't use it going forward either.Delete
Part of me doesn't care, because I have enough material to run games for the next 30 or so years I'll be alive without buying anything else.ReplyDelete
The other part of me knows that this corporate culture of "maximum monetization" is a really bad thing. Produce a valuable product, and people will buy it. I can see that in Goodman Games, Raging Swan, Sine Nomine, and Frog God Games (among others). How this is missed by corporate goobers is beyond me (well not really - I have a whole rant on how many people are willing to sacrifice their principles in exchange for a bigger market share, but this isn't the forum to do that).
Ha$bro and WotC have lost me - I don't need their shenanigans, and am fully on board with other companies figuring out a true OGL.
"What I think, and I'm clearly a pessimist, is that Ha$bro is biding it's time. There will be a OGL 2.0 and while it might not be as far-reaching as the last attempt, it will be the end of OGL 1.0a. Ha$bro will make sure they have their ducks in a line, plug any and all leaks that they can, and ram it down our collective throats when they think they can get aways with it. We taught them how not to disseminate bad news to the community, and they probably know who will be the most likely to bring expensive lawsuits."ReplyDelete
I don't think so. Theoretically they could still try to stop use of the 3e & 3.5e SRDs, the ones the OSR is built on, but I don't think that's their plan at all.
5.1 being under CC does a lot even for OSR. You just have to reverse engineer everything from 5e like was done with the 3.5 and 3.0 SRDs.ReplyDelete
What would be concerning is 1.0a open game content is stuck there and if we ever lose 1.0a would be trapped behind that and not usable.
However again Wotc only cared about 5e they couldn't give a damn about 3.5 or prior and the OSR. If 5.1 was never entered into the 1.0a open gaming licenses/content this would have never happened.
Now that 5.1 SRD is in creative commons they have zero financial incentive to even care about 1.0a which helps protect it more. What we'll likely see is 6e or 1dnd locked behinds a new more restrictive GSL like 4e and make that mistake all over again assuming they learnt nothing.