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Sunday, October 15, 2017

How to Have a Comment that You Believe Infringes on Your Intellectual Property Rights, Copyright and the Like Removed From The Tavern

Lets cut to the chase, shall we? I do NOT read every comment posted here, at The Tavern nor every comment in The Tavern's Facebook Community. If I did, I'd never have the time to post. There are thousands of Tavern Readers (many of them commenters) and the Facebook Community is closing in on 1900 very active members.

So, it is certainly possible somebody commenting here or in the The Tavern's Facebook Community may link to or copy-paste material that "you" feel infringes on your intellectual property rights.

Know what you do? Messege me the moment you notice it.

How? This very page has an email feature on the right hand side. Or Facebook PM. Or Google Hangouts PM (not a Google Plus mention, as I miss that shit constantly)

What should you say? Identify the comment that you feels infringes on your intellectual property rights (or misstates information that you feel is actionable - yes, I mean you Gail) and tell me how it does so. I can pretty much guarentee I'll take down the offending material in as timely a manner as I am able to do so.

What should you not say? Legal threats, direct or implied, do not help. Seriously, all you are doing is burning bridges where none need to be burned. This is, of course, totally up to you. The offending comment gets deleted in either case. Relationships suffer with the second option.


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  1. RandomEncounterOctober 15, 2017 at 11:32 PM

    I have a sneaking suspicion this is related to a certain backer-only update from Kickstarter.

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  2. Christopher StogdillOctober 15, 2017 at 11:39 PM

    ....but stupid comments in the realm of "Poo Poo Head" are still AOK, right?

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    1. TenkarOctober 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM

      yes, personal insults are actually ok. not preferred, of course ;)

      Delete
    2. Christopher StogdillOctober 15, 2017 at 11:50 PM

      Expect a load of PMs in 3...2...1...

      Delete
  3. Jordan RaymondOctober 16, 2017 at 3:32 AM

    Man, this is a real fucking joke.

    Totally unrelated, but did you know that the Empyrea reboot is delayed? There's going to be an update from Frank tomorrow. I know that because I read a comment available only to backers (yay me for promising a buck that won't get charged!) Nothing says "professionnal" like posting a single KS update, making it backers-only so everyone else can only read the title announcing "Empyrea Kickstarter rebooting on Monday October 16th", then not reboot it on October 16th. Oh yeah, that backers-only update also included a preview link to the rebooted KS (which is now dead, by the way, at least for now). And man, if there is one thing you DO NOT want potential backers to know, it's that. I mean, they then could star it and be alerted when it's lauched, right? Let's hope me saying that does not infringe on anyone's IP.

    What was I saying? Ah, yeah : man, this is a real fucking joke.

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  4. AnonymousOctober 16, 2017 at 7:38 AM

    At first i thought this could not be real. There was nothing in that update that was “proprietary”. Not a bit. Whats the reason that post got yanked?

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    1. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 8:37 AM

      So my suspicion was correct. There's a certain backer-only update comment removed from a certain other tavern post... And it sounds like legal action was threatened lol

      Delete
    2. TheShadowKnowsOctober 16, 2017 at 9:17 AM

      "And it sounds like legal action was threatened lol"

      Just like in that PM that the "hacker" wrote.

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    3. UnknownOctober 16, 2017 at 11:00 AM

      Apparently posting 'backer only' comments is tantamount to trade secrets now. That makes Zero sense. I wonder what Frank and company threatened Tenkar with to take down my post. God forbid there was something in there that was PROPRIETARY.

      Delete
    4. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 11:59 AM

      I think this hacker has come back for round two of legal threats! First innocent victim EOTB, next, Tenkar!

      Delete
  5. UnknownOctober 16, 2017 at 8:39 AM

    Sounds like a certain conman needs to learn the difference between a privacy policy and how intellectual property works and is infringed upon.

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  6. yawnOctober 16, 2017 at 9:51 AM

    Sounds like we're dealing with amateurs pretending to be professionals (again).

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  7. yawnOctober 16, 2017 at 10:36 AM

    If Mentzer's having his much trouble before his KS has even funded... what's to come? Nah, probably nothing to worry about. I'm sure development and delivery will be smooth, uneventful and on time, with all backer inquiries along the handled politely and professionally.

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  8. dwarf74October 16, 2017 at 10:58 AM

    Wow, crazy. Especially considering how you've been handling this project with kid gloves so far.

    Everything about the initial launch was shaky, and it seemed like the only reason you weren't panning it was out of respect for Frank. Because it was a seriously crap kickstarter pitch.

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    1. UnknownOctober 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM

      Don't forget, Frank wants to have EVERY pledge have a box set, 5000 box sets as the baseline. You've got to be shitting me.

      Delete
  9. TenkarOctober 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM

    I really appreciate the community support. In trying times like this it really does mean the world

    And no, I won't comment on the exact situation that brought this post into being. Simply sound advice for all.

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    1. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM

      I think the missing comment basically explains the situation for you. Lol

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    2. Bryan FOctober 16, 2017 at 5:51 PM

      Erik, you publish an entertaining blog and in my experience you are civil and reasonable. What's not to like?

      Lot of folks understand that if we don't support the good things, we lose them.

      Delete
  10. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 12:26 PM

    Will you be deleting all posts that get reported to you, or only if it actually violates someone's rights/law? Because technically most backer-only updates are not protected speech and contain no information that infringe on copyright/property/etc.

    If yes, that's what we call a chilling effect.

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    1. TenkarOctober 16, 2017 at 12:35 PM

      I'll take each request as they come and make my judgement based on the totality of the circumstances.

      I've posted such backer-only updates in the past - Myth & Magic comes to mind - but I've always removed all links prior to doing so.

      Delete
    2. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 12:54 PM

      Sounds good. Much better than scare tactics legal threats forcing unoffending posts to be removed.

      Delete
    3. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 12:57 PM

      Did the one posted on the other thread have links or other IP info? Because I saw that comment (and update as a backer) and didn't see anything that warranted removal.

      Delete
  11. MelanOctober 16, 2017 at 1:09 PM

    Nothing says the old guard is back in action than legal threats! Remember: T$R has always stood for "They Sue Regularly". :D

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    1. yawnOctober 16, 2017 at 1:12 PM

      Two words: train wreck. Ride the Mentzer KS rail at your own peril.

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    2. TheShadowKnowsOctober 17, 2017 at 7:02 PM

      After seeing Mr. Mentzer bragging and bullying on Dragonsfoot, and not even taking responsibility for the nasty PM which got him banned, I confess to a certain sense of amusement at seeing the Empyrea KS go up in a total clusterfuck garbage fire. I hope everyone is taking notes - this is how "pro ops" are done.

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  12. RandomEncounterOctober 16, 2017 at 1:50 PM

    The Piazza posted the same backer only update. Either they ignored the legal threats or Frank just likes them more than you lol.

    http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=18696&p=203492#p203492

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  13. GaryOctober 16, 2017 at 6:28 PM

    Don't worry about it Erik > tell FM to kiss your ass and go back to figuring out how he's gonna screw those who were dumb enough to support his KS. I've being visiting the Tavern for years and alway enjoyed the quality of posts and the way you managed the site. We got yer back, man!

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  14. DM BluddworthOctober 17, 2017 at 10:16 PM

    If someone were provided with a "backer only" preview of the upcoming Kickstarter reboot, I'm kind of curious why someone would post it?

    The most I had said about it was that the goal was lowered, the stretch goals made more attainable and that some of the pledges had been made a bit better. But nothing approaching a cut and paste, or disclosing actual numbers.

    Frank has said that he is new to this process, so there is likely going to be a few missteps along the way.

    I'm actually a survivor of the Pathfinder Online Kickstarter and the actual launch of that game was probably one of the worse MMO launches of all time!! Possibly even the WORST!

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  15. Ian DimitriOctober 18, 2017 at 5:54 PM

    Speaking of Frank and threats. This was an interesting read. I see a pattern of behavior reference threats..... It's not just Hollywood.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/778ykn/its_not_just_hollywood/

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  16. UnknownOctober 19, 2017 at 1:27 PM

    All because Frank wanted a link to a nothing removed. Good job their chief, ya got what ya wanted.

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  17. TheShadowKnowsOctober 19, 2017 at 5:52 PM

    It appears the KS reboot has been cancelled, as many of Mr. Mentzer's collaborators jumped ship after somebody (no doubt "the hacker") framed Mr. Mentzer as a dirty old man.

    http://tedfauster.com/2017/10/18/fallen-hero-the-end-of-my-business-relationship-with-frank-mentzer/

    https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/920489843821486080

    That is one busy "hacker"!

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  18. RogerOctober 21, 2017 at 3:13 PM

    Better watch out, Erik, apparently the term "burning bridges" is synonymous with "blackmail." This is something I never knew until recent events.

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