tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post8372699906265994398..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Raggi Pitches the LotFP Referee Book's Upcoming CrowdfundingTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-78467868289134451932013-08-06T23:50:39.287-04:002013-08-06T23:50:39.287-04:00I appreciate Jim's honesty in this video, and ...I appreciate Jim's honesty in this video, and look forward to backing this one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02277532978306764863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-89626281576449316762013-08-03T09:50:09.697-04:002013-08-03T09:50:09.697-04:00What a load of bullshit. Call it like I see it.
B...What a load of bullshit. Call it like I see it.<br /><br />But if J'Raggi can get people to dish out money to him, he's only fulfilling his side of PT Barnum's prophecy...Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-13921435193372374042013-08-02T18:33:09.142-04:002013-08-02T18:33:09.142-04:00In all fairness I will say that, even though I was...In all fairness I will say that, even though I wasn't a satisfied customer of the Grindhouse boxed set, I do have six of the adventures Raggi wrote and I like them all. I also believe him to be relatively honest, so I doubt he's trying to scam anyone. Good luck to him.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-66392636829008666112013-08-02T16:50:27.154-04:002013-08-02T16:50:27.154-04:00@TheShadow
I don't think there is a huge diff...@TheShadow<br /><br />I don't think there is a huge difference between LL, S&W, and LotFP. Let's face it, they are *all* essentially copies of DnD. Personally, I like the writing style of S&W more than LL, and the "go big or go home" attitude of Raggi's modules is also something that I appreciate. But I recognize that these ("attitude" and "style") are purely subjective dimensions. Objectively, Raggi has been one of the most consistently productive of the OSR "oldies." More power to him.Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551480034601737297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-59888687530430178372013-08-02T16:38:30.073-04:002013-08-02T16:38:30.073-04:00My impression is that it's a combination of wh...My impression is that it's a combination of what Wayne said. Also, perhaps Better than Any Man created interest from distributors that James can't meet. I've backed two LotFP projects, and both came through just fine. A little late, but let's face it that is the norm.Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551480034601737297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-14914968811043601772013-08-02T16:09:56.497-04:002013-08-02T16:09:56.497-04:00I would say that James probably should have provid...I would say that James probably should have provided a dozen examples of unique monsters and magic items, but that's just me.<br /><br />I have all of the OSR rules, so I dont NEED a monster or magic item book.<br /><br />If LotFP WF was all I owned, I'd feel there was something missing.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-70396501570865964152013-08-02T15:52:27.128-04:002013-08-02T15:52:27.128-04:00"So a game is crippleware if it doesn't r..."So a game is crippleware if it doesn't repeat the list of orcs and bags of holding that I already have dozens of times over?"<br /><br />By that argument, why does the game repeat the same abilities, classes (essentially), spells (for the most part), and equipment that you already have dozens of times over? What exactly does LOTFP offer that's new, besides a lot of Raggi's rambling "advice"? The art and a handful of spells aside, what's even theoretically "weird" about the game?<br /><br />And no, the game didn't have to have the same orcs and bags of holding. But it did need SOME monsters and SOME magic items. "You can make up your own" is all well and good, but by that reasoning I can make up a whole game of my own and not pay forty bucks for a well-illustrated half of a game.<br /><br />Or I could just use B/X or Labyrinth Lord. Behind all the smoke and mirrors and trumped-up controversy, that's all LOTFP really is.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74541340490866325822013-08-02T15:26:01.139-04:002013-08-02T15:26:01.139-04:00So a game is "crippleware" if it doesn&#...So a game is "crippleware" if it doesn't repeat the list of orcs and bags of holding that I already have dozens of times over?Wayne R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04118962136054206381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-75179030694180892102013-08-02T13:44:16.482-04:002013-08-02T13:44:16.482-04:00Yep, Rules & Magic IS the Weird Fantasy rulese...Yep, Rules & Magic IS the Weird Fantasy ruleset (especially as no monster book exists)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-91806265705828207402013-08-02T13:22:50.946-04:002013-08-02T13:22:50.946-04:00I love the Referee book from the Grindhouse editio...I love the Referee book from the Grindhouse edition and I look forward to getting a hold of the revised edition. That said, I fail to see the urgency in publishing it. The Rules and Magic book is not 1/2 of a complete system. It is the complete rule set. The original Referee book did not include the stuff typically in GM resources and is basically just advice on how to run a game in the LotFP spirit. It's a great read for any GM, but it's not essential. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957151893557810297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-30181156728801630732013-08-02T13:12:38.752-04:002013-08-02T13:12:38.752-04:00Step 1: Copy Labyrinth Lord.
Step 2: Remove the mo...Step 1: Copy Labyrinth Lord.<br />Step 2: Remove the monsters and magic items and replace them with excuses for why they weren't needed anyway.<br />Step 3: Rename the crippleware Lamentations of the Flame Princess.<br />Step 4: Profit.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-12541690598431872622013-08-02T13:01:15.073-04:002013-08-02T13:01:15.073-04:00Now that I've watched the video, I don't t...Now that I've watched the video, I don't think it sounds too unreasonable. <br /><br />He's collecting money to get the book funded, so he's not using money for A to pay for B, which is laudable. That's how you <i>avoid</i> a Nystul-style meltdown.<br /><br />Even though shipping was included in pledges for his earlier campaigns: it wasn't <i>free</i>; it was included in those levels. So, not including shipping at all strikes me as perfectly reasonable. It's not like he's double-charging people for shipping.<br /><br />Using coupons for the store? It makes sense with the approach to shipping fees with this campaign, and if he reprints something you already have/don't need/don't want: you can, presumably, use it for something else. (Maybe you can use it for shipping?)Rushputinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07867389429325778387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-28726212575984052242013-08-02T12:44:49.243-04:002013-08-02T12:44:49.243-04:00Just to clarify my own view, I absolutely think th...Just to clarify my own view, I absolutely think that Raggi is good for it. He says he's going to put out the book, and I believe him. It may be late, but it will eventually exist and it will look good. I have total faith in his ability to (eventually) produce outstanding work, and obviously his work in the OSR has bought him plenty of good will from me. This new arrangement just strikes me as robbing Peter to pay Paul, and I'd rather not get involved in that. But I wish him all the best and want this to succeed.Andrew Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03507788738117924606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-16133502809261136622013-08-02T12:42:29.510-04:002013-08-02T12:42:29.510-04:00Same here.
As far as I can tell, the reason his ...Same here. <br /><br />As far as I can tell, the reason his IGG campaigns have run so late is he's over-delivering on part of them. Seclusium turning out to be vastly larger than he anticipated is a great example of this. In this case, there's not a lot of work that isn't already done: he's trying to get books to print, not funding writing them... so there shouldn't be much room for things to balloon to 4 times their expected size.<br /><br />(The other holdup seems to be folks writing for him not delivering on time: this is problematic, but also shouldn't be a problem with a campaign about getting stuff back in print.)Rushputinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07867389429325778387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-86132024683800307512013-08-02T12:20:27.479-04:002013-08-02T12:20:27.479-04:00Crowdfunding this would make me a form of investor...Crowdfunding this would make me a form of investor, but I don't think I'd be willing to invest in Raggi's publishing enterprise when it pops out stuff with titles like F--- for Satan. There's nothing wrong with him wanting to aim for that market (or use that marketing) if he wants, but doing so will automatically exclude me from his demographic (and yes I did buy the original LotfP, and yes he's been cutting me out of his target audience ever since I saw the art in the Grindhouse edition, so I guess nothing to see here, move along).Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-63359698068228732662013-08-02T12:14:21.516-04:002013-08-02T12:14:21.516-04:00Pre-Nystul world, good one.
LotFP was one of the O...Pre-Nystul world, good one.<br />LotFP was one of the OSR games I missed the boat on. I've been caught up in all the shininess of crowdfunded games for a while. Some have delivered, some not remotely close. I think I'll continue to sit this one out and wait for actual product to hit the shelves.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10994932732115376322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-21996117458803540592013-08-02T11:58:47.831-04:002013-08-02T11:58:47.831-04:00I agree with you, but, if it was such a priority, ...I agree with you, but, if it was such a priority, you would think you would get both books out before you undertake expending capital on other projects.Rogue Gameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677589366040436360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-81181740166026586562013-08-02T11:57:08.905-04:002013-08-02T11:57:08.905-04:00I really think he's good for it, though. I mea...I really think he's good for it, though. I mean he has an amazing track record of realized projects, most of them with a little extra on the side because it was late or he felt like doing so. There are at least 4 of his products on RPGNow with a "pay what you want", the core rules without art were always free and what he did for the hobby (and the Free RPG Day) with Better Than Any Man could just deserve a bit good will, I guess.<br /><br />I'd vote for a reprint of Vornheim (didn't get it the first time around...). Jens D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18394303166081684904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-31848627475920370782013-08-02T11:33:27.903-04:002013-08-02T11:33:27.903-04:00Yep, you're not wrong about this. I'm get...Yep, you're not wrong about this. I'm getting a little bit of a bad feeling about the whole idea. I've supported all of Raggi's other kickstarters and am still waiting for that stuff. This new scheme might have worked in a pre-Nystul world, but I don't think I'm likely to support this new one.<br />Andrew Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03507788738117924606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-43507544140707405072013-08-02T11:32:59.471-04:002013-08-02T11:32:59.471-04:00The old edition (Grindhouse Edition) of LotFP:WFRP...The old edition (Grindhouse Edition) of LotFP:WFRP is out of print. Only half (Rules & Magic hardcover) of the new edition is in print. So it's a priority for his business to get the other half (Referee) out in print.Wayne R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04118962136054206381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-76857533469964680442013-08-02T11:17:07.808-04:002013-08-02T11:17:07.808-04:00Step 1: Steal all the underwear
Step 2: --
Step 3:...Step 1: Steal all the underwear<br />Step 2: --<br />Step 3: Profit.<br /><br />Rogue Gameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677589366040436360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-57581075375428944422013-08-02T11:13:59.715-04:002013-08-02T11:13:59.715-04:00I don't get it, if the other kickstarters are ...I don't get it, if the other kickstarters are behind, why not finish them off first, then focus on this other book?matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04998881232495777586noreply@blogger.com