tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post8346085881842053014..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: What I've Learned About Running an OSRIC / AD&D 1e CampaignTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-38491007165069417382013-01-30T13:44:34.175-05:002013-01-30T13:44:34.175-05:00What attack algorithm are you using? For table-loo...What attack algorithm are you using? For table-look-up it is irrelevant, THAC0 is universally suboptimal, vs. target (like d20) makes ascending a clear winner. But Target 20 with descending AC is still the least cognitive load, for both ref and players.Joshua L. Lylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03358762663581842879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-58407626474942547702013-01-26T09:44:43.095-05:002013-01-26T09:44:43.095-05:00When I ran my AD&D campaign last year I stuck ...When I ran my AD&D campaign last year I stuck to the rules and Descending AC was probably the most annoying. Because some of the guys came in with no knowledge, some understood the AD&D charts and others had THACO on their mind. While close, doesn't jive together. And as GM having to look those tables up again and again was a pain. Also did not like the 5 saves.Gothridge Manorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371740532802642972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-28563518886282793622013-01-25T23:31:07.882-05:002013-01-25T23:31:07.882-05:00The operations are the same, but if you want to ke...The operations are the same, but if you want to keep ACs something that has to be puzzled out, with descending AC, the onus is on the referee. With ascending AC, the player's carry more of the load.<br /><br />As a referee, I'm all in favor of having the players handle as much as possible so that I can focus on more important things.maasenstodthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901306527875471546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83393989357472589892013-01-25T23:09:36.158-05:002013-01-25T23:09:36.158-05:00Agree with all - any one thing i can use to simpli...Agree with all - any one thing i can use to simplify my old school game is good. Likewise stat based rolls for for NWP skills and saving throws too (with class/level bonuses). Stats should do something again. New players take to and respond to odds better under ascending Armour. Even run from high armour on sight now. Added to my Gammaworld 2nd ed game too. It still just feels odd im rolling high to hit and low for most other things. Konsumterrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170560484656800416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-6685413979009894682013-01-25T23:02:47.042-05:002013-01-25T23:02:47.042-05:00Heh, I have never moved beyond old school D&D ...Heh, I have never moved beyond old school D&D and retroclones, but have gotten into some heated 'discussions' regarding ascending AC over descending AC. It was reading Swords & Wizardry that I finally understood the simple mechanical merits of ascending AC. Nostalgia aside, based on pure mechanics, it is obvious to me that ascending AC is superior to descending, even including THAC0. But nostalgia is a powerful force -- I still use descending AC because it just feels right. I have though adapted a formula such that I know the player hits if DICE ROLL + LEVEL ATTACK BONUS + TARGET AC is greater than 19.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12852006025300302459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-57043409191640360992013-01-25T23:00:51.808-05:002013-01-25T23:00:51.808-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12852006025300302459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-24830875435946433942013-01-25T22:53:49.088-05:002013-01-25T22:53:49.088-05:00i had a PC with -12 AC. I think that was a soft ca...i had a PC with -12 AC. I think that was a soft cap ;)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-28143244678186770062013-01-25T21:49:38.022-05:002013-01-25T21:49:38.022-05:00Ascending and descending AC involve the exact same...Ascending and descending AC involve the exact same operations. I don't see how you can declare one harder than the other. d20 + AC vs. THAC0 (20 - BAB) is the same as d20 + BAB vs. AC. You have a one number that changes once per level (at the most), and another that changes based on the target's armor, and that's it. The only thing that changes is which you add vs. which you're trying to beat.Joshua Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838733328132877699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-80458751448088361362013-01-25T21:45:44.605-05:002013-01-25T21:45:44.605-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joshua Macyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10838733328132877699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-25936213082114754382013-01-25T21:36:41.716-05:002013-01-25T21:36:41.716-05:00I'm with you on this one. Descending AC is jus...I'm with you on this one. Descending AC is just...well....needless complication. That said, it's tied to a feature of older editions that ascending AC isn't: capped AC. -10 was it back then, the top of the line (bottom?) and when ascending AC arrived with D20 the sky was the limit. <br /><br />AD&D 2E is still the top dog for me, though ;)Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-85886714578260164122013-01-25T21:03:19.828-05:002013-01-25T21:03:19.828-05:00I will respectfully disagree and leave it at that....I will respectfully disagree and leave it at that.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-87662925401625880522013-01-25T20:17:53.686-05:002013-01-25T20:17:53.686-05:00nice one!
I already had that happen at work a few...nice one!<br /><br />I already had that happen at work a few years back ;)<br /><br />In truth, Descending AC does sucketh :)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-45747508253189719152013-01-25T20:11:40.077-05:002013-01-25T20:11:40.077-05:00Get ready! http://wahsegavalleyfarm.typepad.com/.a...Get ready! http://wahsegavalleyfarm.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83519315253ef0120a52932e6970c-400wiGreyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.com