tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post702479203876019501..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: A "What the F@ck?" Kickstarter - How to Game Master like a F@cking BossTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-46338379752901966392015-09-07T18:04:13.695-04:002015-09-07T18:04:13.695-04:00Vindication... it feels pretty good. ;)
Vindication... it feels pretty good. ;)<br />Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-86360284095973223312015-01-20T13:41:54.194-05:002015-01-20T13:41:54.194-05:00Actually, more GM advice is never a bad thing, and...Actually, more GM advice is never a bad thing, and compared to Champions of ZED, any Kickstarter campaign will look good.AndreasDavourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17170806742393291962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-20312437354201753782015-01-20T12:54:07.102-05:002015-01-20T12:54:07.102-05:00To those people who haven't changed their Game...To those people who haven't changed their Game Mastering practices in over a decade, I'd say this: you're not doing anything wrong but you could be doing things better. Unless, of course, you're already an amazing Game Master with no room for improvement. If that's the case, my book would be totally unnecessary. Save your gold.<br />Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-30761225995064068802015-01-19T23:38:10.130-05:002015-01-19T23:38:10.130-05:00Thankfully this discussion convinced Venger some a...Thankfully this discussion convinced Venger some actual insight was needed as to what he was going to present beyond the hyperbole.<br /><br />The Kickstarter page has been updated with an actual example, so that those that aren't intimately knowledgable with Venger's works know what to expect to some extent.<br /><br />Of course, I'm still left wondering what "gamemastering practices of yore" have weighed the hobby down. I'll chalk that up to hyperbole and "ad speak"<br /><br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74444932580460695422015-01-19T23:24:04.408-05:002015-01-19T23:24:04.408-05:00Part synchronicity, part market research (though I...Part synchronicity, part market research (though I didn't realize it at the time). It should be no surprise that most of my gaming-related blog posts involve Game Mastering in some way... I'm the Game Master. It's what I do.<br /><br />Reading about dissatisfied Game Masters forced me to examine the vocation and what I might bring to the proverbial table. But healthy skepticism is a good thing. Keep at it.<br /><br /> Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74593564518860774682015-01-19T23:20:54.095-05:002015-01-19T23:20:54.095-05:00I've paid more than $20 bucks many times for n...I've paid more than $20 bucks many times for novels, issues & politics books, freakin' Baudrillard... with no illustrations, no PDF, & I can' t remember a word from many of them. Some were sent to goodwill unread after a year! I expect everyone reading this could say the similar, or at least confess to a getting a family bucket of K-fry instead of going to the grocery store.<br /><br />Hell, there's a Fifty Shades of Grey movie & you begrudge <i>this</i>?<br /><br />Here's hoping you get as much from the next twenty you drop as I will reading this book, no matter how little the world 'needs' it.rainswepthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165059567790555748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-73900480042976013742015-01-19T20:08:23.084-05:002015-01-19T20:08:23.084-05:00Psst! You, that Trayth guy! THIS is how you are re...Psst! You, that Trayth guy! THIS is how you are respond to criticism of your Kickstarter. Yeah, I think the whole thing sounds weird and silly too, but at least VS has responded intelligently and politely.Charles Saegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368131505593336249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-4981461963713558912015-01-19T19:09:06.319-05:002015-01-19T19:09:06.319-05:00I usually agree w the targets of ur Kickstarter po...I usually agree w the targets of ur Kickstarter posts but in this case I politely disagree. Venger at the very least has delivered on everything he has put on KS in the past. I admit that I am not a fan of DM tips in general as I feel experience is the best teacher, but I cant fault him for using some sensationalist terminology to drive people to the project. It seems to have worked in this case! Jeremy "frothsof" Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04663928183049867947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-92059056058901083822015-01-19T19:08:58.565-05:002015-01-19T19:08:58.565-05:00So the book is about 1/3rd completed at the launch...So the book is about 1/3rd completed at the launch of the funding drive. And we really have no clear idea what it will address and how. Even the clarifications aren't all that clear.<br /><br />And then today, through another blog, I'm lead to Venger's blog of a GM questionnaire, which he cross posted to several G+ groups — http://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2015/01/gming-general-discussion.html — and I can't help but wonder how much of the content of the KS project will be driven by whatever comes in on the survey.<br /><br />Skeptic-o-meter is still reading pretty high, here.<br /><br />And "How to Game Master like a Fucking Boss" seems to be morphing into "How to Game Master Mainly Just Fantasy Campaigns With Disgusting Things in Them as Does Venger, a Fucking Boss"bygrinstowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02935507280015810333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-64648829368244477122015-01-19T19:07:51.737-05:002015-01-19T19:07:51.737-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.bygrinstowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02935507280015810333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-38273821796777255722015-01-19T17:03:19.618-05:002015-01-19T17:03:19.618-05:00I can't speak to the kickstarter but I can say...I can't speak to the kickstarter but I can say that I own a couple of his adventures. While the style/content was ultimately not what I was looking for, I realize it was at least, a thing that some people do want. I enjoyed reading them. And from my experience comparing it to other amateur productions, it certainly came across as something that was crafted with some care. If I found VS's style and substance more to my taste, I'd probably back this because I feel like he'll deliver a legitimate product in his own signature way.<br /><br />A lot of the comments on here are coming off a bit overly antagonistic IMO. Just sayin.mbeacomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03674702605226704063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88137456945364295782015-01-19T16:33:11.100-05:002015-01-19T16:33:11.100-05:00For those interested, I've just posted a short...For those interested, I've just posted a short Q&A based on the constructive criticism received: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1575519826/how-to-game-master-like-a-fucking-boss<br /><br />Thanks for the comments, everyone!<br />Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88971963880843925902015-01-19T16:03:04.142-05:002015-01-19T16:03:04.142-05:00@HuckSawyer - Kickstarter proceeds are very taxabl...@HuckSawyer - Kickstarter proceeds are very taxable. If you aren't using a LLC to run your Kickstarter, you'll be taxed at the personal income tax rate.<br /><br />This has bit more than one Kickstarter in the ass.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-76570521300648176272015-01-19T15:57:32.730-05:002015-01-19T15:57:32.730-05:00Well it's because that was all hyperbole and t...Well it's because that was all hyperbole and there are no "GM practices of yore" weighing us down. Does anyone believe for a moment the wheel just got reinvented by a guy using a silly "scary" pseudonym?Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-20830140873822134262015-01-19T14:36:58.706-05:002015-01-19T14:36:58.706-05:00I second that motion, Tenkar.
A 1,000 word trea...I second that motion, Tenkar. <br /><br />A 1,000 word treatment can't be that difficult to muster, more/less so if financing is requested. <br /><br />By the way: are Kickstarter proceeds taxable (Uncle Sam, Aunt Virginia, whatever?) ? <br /><br />-Rick HuckSawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13381444935904172318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-47407400876977123792015-01-19T14:22:54.287-05:002015-01-19T14:22:54.287-05:00to quote myself over on Venger's thread in OSR...to quote myself over on Venger's thread in OSR Community on G+<br /><br /><br />Venger Satanis would have gotten less of a response (or no post at all) if his boilerplate didn't read like every weight loss, learn to flirt, personal magnetism, etc - site on the web.<br /><br />I'd still like a sentence or two telling us exactly which "Game Mastering practices of yore" are "weighing our hobby down."<br /><br />This will tell more about the value of the forthcoming book than any of Venger's hyperbole. He may very well have ideas that have value, but we'll never know sight unseen.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83120270224538952642015-01-19T14:15:48.932-05:002015-01-19T14:15:48.932-05:00I think Venger could have gone with less prose, mo...I think Venger could have gone with less prose, more facts myself.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-31177464041434458872015-01-19T13:06:45.729-05:002015-01-19T13:06:45.729-05:00There are plenty of authors I buy from because of ...There are plenty of authors I buy from because of prior works....maybe if Venger were more well known this KS wold be less problematic, but honestly even includign a quote from what you wrote above might help frame the KS in a manner that helps those unfamiliar with VS in getting the idea that he's got some history and a following.Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-53910244535203148222015-01-19T13:01:40.673-05:002015-01-19T13:01:40.673-05:00What did people do before youtube made it possible...What did people do before youtube made it possible to be a crazed eccentric with a following....my uncle was born too soon, apparently.Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-82668633717629710272015-01-19T12:34:07.909-05:002015-01-19T12:34:07.909-05:00I don't have a proverbial dog in this discussi...I don't have a proverbial dog in this discussion but it looks like the author/designer is fielding reasonable criticism with a fairly open system of response. It takes balls to present art for commerce. EVERYBODY wants to kick and spit (Spitstarter?) when the guitarist steps forward and turns it up to solo a la "that ain't metal enough, man, that ain't punk enough man, I can play Eddie's riffs, man, s'not that great". Easy to hide and throw barbs behind a keyboard. <br /><br />What is refreshing about this above discussion - I daresay community - is the feature of open and honest dialogue. I don't know this Venger gentlemen or his mission from the dozens of others that come under review. Give the man credit for taking his vision directly to a fair and critical pool, and answering to points without spiraling-down into name-calling and all the other shit that kills the productive/creative components. <br /><br />Frankly, this process is better than finishing a product and finding out to your financial malaise that it just plain sucks. You've got some folks here invested enough in the Fantasy Community to help you improve your product, Venger. Utilize the resource. <br /><br />Keep the discussion going. <br /><br />-Rick<br /><br />HuckSawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13381444935904172318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-25350069291566821432015-01-19T12:32:24.866-05:002015-01-19T12:32:24.866-05:00I just can't stop thinking of this book:
http...I just can't stop thinking of this book:<br /><br />http://www.quantumgambitz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bruce-becker.jpgSean McSomethinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00823640529590899118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-49447736204233512012015-01-19T11:13:37.785-05:002015-01-19T11:13:37.785-05:00I'm not sure why something like this is needed...I'm not sure why something like this is needed when the 1e DMG is available for about five bucks on ebay. Do people seriously think they are better qualified to offer advice for running D&D than Gary Gygax was?TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-32720581699474437442015-01-19T10:25:22.030-05:002015-01-19T10:25:22.030-05:00I have to say that, while perhaps Venger could hav...I have to say that, while perhaps Venger could have worded his pledge in a more pleasant or pedestrian way, that isn't his style. Just like the cover art and disclaimer of his books suggest, this style isn't for everybody. His work is not guilty, however, of having "style over substance". He packs his books to the gills with gm tips, house rules, and more in addition to complete adventure write-ups that you would expect. I like to compare his work to old White Wolf stuff... Dripping with style and unique layout that is difficult to sperate from the actual information contained therein. Like the old White Wolf books, this information is abundant and often useful in many different contexts. <br /><br />In summary, is Venger's work often abrasive, wordy, or internally preoccupied? Sure. Is it also intensely personal, made with love, and badass? You bet! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17967811216152704829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-58341769224897307692015-01-19T10:22:05.120-05:002015-01-19T10:22:05.120-05:00Personally don't believe any book can teach on...Personally don't believe any book can teach one how to GM well. That's something you learn by doing. Would be curious to know what new ideas are supposed to be in this book. Sounds like there are none since the author can't speak to the question.Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-12736017183532141682015-01-19T09:59:08.657-05:002015-01-19T09:59:08.657-05:00I've already found a great book on how to GM w...I've already found a great book on how to GM well. Didn't require a kickstarter, it requires that one upload a file to Lulu. <br /><br />Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657793356913767894noreply@blogger.com