tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post6392225104308887114..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: This Game Starts At Level Three...Tenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74485069688309816192012-03-26T13:41:16.491-04:002012-03-26T13:41:16.491-04:00Remember that whatever you peg first level at you ...Remember that whatever you peg first level at you can't easily claw back to a lower starting position (without house rules), but you can pretty easily advance your starting position upward. Level 1 is going to be your lowest level of granularity. You remember there was a thing where there was a lot of level 0 hacking going on when it was fashionable to have a funnel approach to character creation so think of this as building that capability into the game. People were saying that level 1 in 4e was like level 5 in Ad&D and some wanted to get back those 'low' levels. Heck I even saw this in my Beacon d20 game where my level 1 seemed too powerful a starting position (was close to level 3 in my mind when compared to the monsters) and I decided that I needed to lower the bar a bit.<br><br>You can always start higher.Toddhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04921387967662542436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-2644438754344606472012-03-26T10:55:30.527-04:002012-03-26T10:55:30.527-04:00I agree with Derrick - starting at level 3 used to...I agree with Derrick - starting at level 3 used to be the 'training wheels' for newbies. Levels 1 and 2 are HARD.DrBarglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06683770320671028815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-44612448557875911092012-03-25T21:32:41.433-04:002012-03-25T21:32:41.433-04:00Since when were level 1 & 2 easy? This is an ...Since when were level 1 & 2 easy? This is an exceedingly polite way to say, "skip that hard early start, we know you love Monty Haul".Derrickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02139619999533346131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-76637510075344785822012-03-25T17:37:23.264-04:002012-03-25T17:37:23.264-04:00There's nothing wrong with starting at level 3...There's nothing wrong with starting at level 3 if that's how your campaign is set up, but to talk of the "need" to redesign the game along these lines suggests to me that a whole lot of people are simply too lazy to use their imagination when playing levels 1 & 2.David Macauleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02169529907795110403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-17151365693540003242012-03-25T15:25:30.571-04:002012-03-25T15:25:30.571-04:00I agree, there's nothing wrong with starting a...<a href="http://www.kjd-imc.org/2012/03/25/starting-above-first-level/" rel="nofollow">I agree</a>, there's nothing wrong with starting above first level. There are even good reasons to design the game to do that.<br><br>"Provide training wheels for newbies" (lower levels where only they play) should not be one of them.Keith Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08411665536982769550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-61253034409091569342012-03-25T14:11:28.731-04:002012-03-25T14:11:28.731-04:00Calculus used to be a college course, now high sch...Calculus used to be a college course, now high school kids are taking Calc II and Diff.eq. before they graduate.<br><br>I suspect kids today can handle having 3 powers instead of 1 when a D&D fight breaks out...Mr. Bluehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07027893907355004146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-36963404133463251062012-03-25T14:04:17.241-04:002012-03-25T14:04:17.241-04:00Its an OK idea but based on a flawed assumption, t...Its an OK idea but based on a flawed assumption, that modern gamers find games too complex. <br><br>I have a group of mostly newbies who started with video games mostly.<br><br>While my group is slightly different than my usual California groups (a bit Whiter and mostly LDS) I don't think they are that different than any gamers. They remind me of my old friends back in the late 80's early 90's in fact ...<br><br>Believe me if they can handle the complexity of say Skyrim or Oblivion chargen and play they can easily handle D&D. Heck their starting game was GURPS a system I find excessively complex for my tastes!<br><br>They are also crazy genre savvy and as such I don't think they would have any issues with any facet of any decently well written game.5stonegameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10694550968360550229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-64172097847168773362012-03-25T13:42:40.758-04:002012-03-25T13:42:40.758-04:00I have been starting player characters at the 3rd ...I have been starting player characters at the 3rd level for a while now. There is a simple reason for this: 1st level characters are newbies - wizard's apprentices, eager farm boys and initiates in clerical orders - while 3rd level characters are well-rounded, reasonably sturdy individuals. These guys and gals can take a few wounds and keep going, although they are still vulnerable, and have to play smart. That, I think, is a good baseline for an adventurer.<br><br>So all in all, I think this is a good idea on part of the game designers.Melanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07165894144553629675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-6124281140276702012012-03-25T13:14:57.267-04:002012-03-25T13:14:57.267-04:00Apropos of nothing, this idea reminds me of the fi...Apropos of nothing, this idea reminds me of the first few years of my teaching contract. When I started, you had no years of teaching experience, so the district started you on step 0 of the pay scale. For the first two years of my contract, I moved up a step, gaining 1 year of teaching experience. The district simultaneously stripped the "level" I had just left off the chart. New teachers started at step 1 and then step 2. In my third year, they re-labeled the whole chart, so I was back on step 1... <br><br>Did those new teachers actually have the same level of experience that I had when they started at step 1 and I was on the same step in my third year?<br><br>Sorry, there just seemed to be a real-world parallel here. :)<br><br>Happy Sunday!!Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.com