tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post6226090536913624242..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Wizards Updates Terms and Conditions for WPN Store Owners - Background Checks of Store Staff now IncludedTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-2643901655838274682018-01-17T13:46:04.354-05:002018-01-17T13:46:04.354-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.pizzlepopopohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567345012798815434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-1646527830111830042018-01-17T13:43:52.796-05:002018-01-17T13:43:52.796-05:00Most people that sexually abuse children are not p...Most people that sexually abuse children are not pedophiles or even on the sex registry. The misinformation regarding sex offenders has stooped to a new low.<br /><br />And please don't start with any attacks or straw men that I'm condoning violence against children. pizzlepopopohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567345012798815434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83042860436273350002018-01-14T13:56:14.553-05:002018-01-14T13:56:14.553-05:00The fee of a background check will be much less th...The fee of a background check will be much less then the amount organised play like drafts and prereleases brings in. Any store who decides not to run anything magic related because of this is cutting off a lot of revenue for no real reason. Robjechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645323902708054221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-50467231722860727162018-01-14T13:53:09.212-05:002018-01-14T13:53:09.212-05:00I think the judges guild doesn't because it do...I think the judges guild doesn't because it doesn't actually make any money from there being more judges. The stores get more people in if they run a draft through, so them paying it makes sense. Robjechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645323902708054221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-29460102453444154672018-01-14T11:48:11.843-05:002018-01-14T11:48:11.843-05:00Thank God I don't have to run background check...Thank God I don't have to run background checks on my players who come to my house...The Swartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595743896849198208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74119193789258190972018-01-14T10:47:18.323-05:002018-01-14T10:47:18.323-05:00I don’t see stores having any issue checking a few...I don’t see stores having any issue checking a few judges and employees. Magic generates too much profit and it is not hard to do.<br /><br />I don’t see why the judge association doesn’t just do it as part of certification so the stores only need to worry about their employees.Myrdin Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12495535744199840091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-42789904444612551812018-01-13T16:06:19.780-05:002018-01-13T16:06:19.780-05:00Yep, better safe than sorry; and if all employees ...Yep, better safe than sorry; and if all employees of stores running M:TG or D&D games have to criminal background checks it’s not a bad idea. It won’t make the stores safe but once people get caught the first time they’ll never work in that environment again.<br /><br />Will it also sweep up innocent people? Probably. But honestly, if you live in a state that puts two teenagers on the sex offender registry but thinks it’s okay for a lawyer and judge to prey on teenage girls, than the place to start is with changing and/or actually enforcing the law, not complaining about Wizards trying to make things safer.<br /><br />Was Milo actually trying to make things safer for kids rather than just trying to make trouble for WOTC? Probably not. But Wizards needed to respond appropriately whether there was an actual problem or not. Just think of in terms of medicine - we benefit all the time from medical knowledge and procedures that were pioneered under very unethical or even illegal conditions; do we reject the knowledge we gained that way? Clearly not.John B. McCarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03351872533598285189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72614084477419379542018-01-13T07:15:20.862-05:002018-01-13T07:15:20.862-05:00I'm a little surprised by all the Devil's ...I'm a little surprised by all the Devil's advocate commentary. While it may be grossly unfair to treat a young man who had relations with a 17 year old girl the same as a child molester, these precautions can only help. <br /><br />Magic:the gathering is not a right, but a privilege... and a rather lame one, if I'm being completely honest. Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-71348004833290095922018-01-13T05:34:55.434-05:002018-01-13T05:34:55.434-05:00(I know in at least some US states you have to pro...(I know in at least some US states you have to produce ID for any alcohol purchase, even if you're a senior citizen. Obviously that is pretty extreme.)Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173759805310975320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-56282119997170175712018-01-13T05:32:47.313-05:002018-01-13T05:32:47.313-05:00I guess an "If you look under 21 you will be ...I guess an "If you look under 21 you will be required to present ID to show you're 16+/18+" type policy as used for alcohol purchases would be what makes sense to me. At least here in England, tortious liability of the store owner would be for Negligence, not strict liability for failing to prevent all minors playing despite their best efforts.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173759805310975320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-39943226230925421822018-01-13T02:20:29.348-05:002018-01-13T02:20:29.348-05:00The key point is controlling positions of power. Y...The key point is controlling positions of power. You obviously cannot lock goofs out but you can deny them authority and that is an important distinction. Coordinators and judges for WotC events should be considered no different from a scout leader or soccer coach (both of which require background checks here in Canada) and its reasonable to require such.Johnny F. Normalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13290656343479879897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-18013664543177367812018-01-12T21:07:24.570-05:002018-01-12T21:07:24.570-05:00As store employees or those running events, they a...As store employees or those running events, they are in positions of power, which is a position that makes kids vulnerable.<br /><br />As for flagging IDs with indicator's and such, I believe most states hold that would be an invasion of privacy.<br /><br />There is no such thing as a perfect system in these circumstances. Flagging your ID as a sex offender when you are showing it to make grocery purchases would violate your civil rights I suspect. Showing you as a organ donor or your eyeglass restriction (a restriction to your privilege to drive) does not.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-25108158214819977962018-01-12T20:55:42.578-05:002018-01-12T20:55:42.578-05:00Except that this won't keep any predators away...Except that this won't keep any predators away from the children. They can still just enter the tournament or gather as spectators, provided that they're not on any kind of electronic monitoring. It *does* require a whole lot of honest folks to prove their innocence at personal expense.<br /><br />Separate question, since you're in a better position to know on such things - why doesn't official ID (driver's license or equivalent) note such things as felon/sex offender/clear to purchase/carry firearms instead of requiring nebulous "background checks" using "proprietary algorithms"? It's already got whether or not it's okay to harvest my organs and that I need to wear glasses.Kitchen Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792175092150057397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-80457950550744783412018-01-12T20:39:22.068-05:002018-01-12T20:39:22.068-05:00er, MOST supervised.
My wife is a Social Worker. ...er, MOST supervised.<br /><br />My wife is a Social Worker. So, you don't just get my highly biased opinion but relevant facts ;)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-14344135036200091742018-01-12T20:37:41.979-05:002018-01-12T20:37:41.979-05:00If I was a store, the no accompanied minors will b...If I was a store, the no accompanied minors will be my downfall. Am I going to ask for valid ID like a bar?<br /><br />The either / or is never a position that protects an establishment - it will hang them in the end.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-56115530420284555742018-01-12T20:35:34.102-05:002018-01-12T20:35:34.102-05:00Most of the time they are on lifetime parole. They...Most of the time they are on lifetime parole. They are the supervised of all criminals that have served their time.<br /><br />I'd rather err on the side of protecting the children than protecting the feelings of a convicted sex offender.<br /><br />If it sounds harsh, so be it. Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-52413048759091736692018-01-12T20:32:36.537-05:002018-01-12T20:32:36.537-05:00and how many of these cops were sex offenders prio...and how many of these cops were sex offenders prior to their arrest? none<br /><br />would you want a convicted sex offender working in law enforcement? as a teacher? as a physician?<br /><br />you can't spot a sex offender who hasn't been arrested or convicted, but you can certainly keep the convicted ones away from from childrenTenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-19073279077353045142018-01-12T20:06:12.683-05:002018-01-12T20:06:12.683-05:00Where does it end? Does everyone in the open play...Where does it end? Does everyone in the open play portion of a game store or anywhere else that children may wander have to get a background check and wear a badge saying "not a child molester"? On that subject...<br /><br />Approximately 180 police officers were charged with sexual misconduct with minors while on duty in 2010 (easiest year for data I could find). That's about 180 more than MtG judges during the same year. None of them were registered sex offenders, and no sane person would claim that cops as a class are child rapists.<br /><br />https://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/#_Sexual_Misconduct<br /><br />It's not the sex offenders I'm concerned about, although releasing them if they're still dangerous enough to require tracking seems odd - and I'd think that a game store would be a parole violation. It's adding another layer of useless red tape that some checking agency makes a profit off of at everyone else's expense that I oppose.Kitchen Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792175092150057397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-16857015935013744152018-01-12T19:42:27.209-05:002018-01-12T19:42:27.209-05:00So, where's the outrage brigade from the previ...So, where's the outrage brigade from the previous post?Will Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03698278637449036933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-19338512306252696412018-01-12T19:12:39.250-05:002018-01-12T19:12:39.250-05:00Sounds good, but Greyhawk Grognard suggested it ma...Sounds good, but Greyhawk Grognard suggested it may deter stores from running Magic at all.<br /><br />Tenkar, you're a cop, you may have more insight into this than most. Does the following look practical as an alternative?<br /><br />I would think the best way to do it would be:<br /><br />EITHER<br /><br />(1) Background Checks<br /> <br />OR<br /><br />(2) No unaccompanied minors<br /><br />And let the stores decide which.<br /><br />My Meetup has a "no under 18s" policy; precisely in order to avoid the issue of being responsible for the wellbeing of minors. Does WoTC have the opposite, a requirement that MTG organisers let minors play? Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173759805310975320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-57294152498556577772018-01-12T19:11:45.388-05:002018-01-12T19:11:45.388-05:00Considering the sex offender registries contain pe...Considering the sex offender registries contain people who performed such heinous crimes as public urination and consensual relations with other people their own age who happen to be under the age of majority, I fail to see how this is a productive move.<br /><br />If you want to make gaming a safer situation for all, ban driving to events. <br /><br />How long are people convicted of sex offenses supposed to suffer, when their recidivism rate is among the lowest of all classes of criminal?<br /><br />The data doesn't support continued ostracism of sex offenders. Only fear does.<br /><br />Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657793356913767894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-38263767664941771492018-01-12T19:09:08.465-05:002018-01-12T19:09:08.465-05:00When i was a kid, arcades were the child molester&...When i was a kid, arcades were the child molester's haunt of choice. I think its just changed with the times. <br /><br />I'd rather be sure sex offenders are NOT running games for my kids and I'm glad Wizards took this step.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-19504932199331713192018-01-12T18:55:48.987-05:002018-01-12T18:55:48.987-05:00Or, y'know, it's all nonsense that we'...Or, y'know, it's all nonsense that we've seen before to rile folks up:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria<br /><br />Think they'll go for the whole Satanism thing again next?Kitchen Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792175092150057397noreply@blogger.com