tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post5847656145830984284..comments2024-03-17T22:08:39.591-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Wherein I Rant About Bad Wrong Fun and Keeping Your Hands to YourselfTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-3076441089029343942016-04-09T18:47:48.849-04:002016-04-09T18:47:48.849-04:00Resorting to "fembot" as a derogatory is...Resorting to "fembot" as a derogatory is incredibly lame. SurrenderMonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867098480604057724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-37928410954165065682016-04-06T22:47:10.715-04:002016-04-06T22:47:10.715-04:00I chased some links around. It seems to have start...I chased some links around. It seems to have started from a FB post from two weeks ago, although maybe something has popped up on a blog since then.Nathan Irvinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10748510598803702118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-45369479273143013442016-04-06T20:28:07.290-04:002016-04-06T20:28:07.290-04:00Pundit is the living embodiment of what a real ...Pundit is the living embodiment of what a real 'attention whore' is. All he cares about is himself and he'll do anything to spread the word of his delusional world of grandeur. PeterAmthorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18190359101341763641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-33206731475848463712016-04-06T18:55:52.621-04:002016-04-06T18:55:52.621-04:00(probably not, depending how good you are. Leg gra...(probably not, depending how good you are. Leg grabbing is verboten in judo, and taekwondo is centered on kicks and keeping your body back. Getting in good position for a throw is a right bitch. I know four judoka who have belts in ITF taekwondo, from green-blue through black, who agree. Though they all agree that if you ever have to deal with a situation in the real world, judo is way easier to justify using that breaking bones...)Keith Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411665536982769550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-45672551473242261912016-04-06T16:41:48.409-04:002016-04-06T16:41:48.409-04:00I don't, but if she's like @thePrincessWif...I don't, but if she's like @thePrincessWife, yea, there'd be some cold, bleeding stumps. Especially the neck stump. <br /><br />(Source - watching her do tai-kwan-do, and wondering if I'd survive with my judo... )Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88149675058666798962016-04-06T16:39:41.330-04:002016-04-06T16:39:41.330-04:00my wife's response was "I'll kick the...my wife's response was "I'll kick the shit out of them and then turn them over to you" but if you know my wife, that didn't need to be said ;)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-27939925196754811892016-04-06T16:28:31.382-04:002016-04-06T16:28:31.382-04:00With regards to your fourth para - I think if ther...With regards to your fourth para - I think if there were more of the "If I see you do that kind of shit, you're not going to like the response", and then followed through on it, we'd have a far different conversation going on. <br /><br />I suspect that the population of those who pull those kind of shenanigans are less of "those who prey" and more of those who think "Hey, we're all guys, n'yuck-n'yuck, what's wrong with a joke?" - in this changing world. Change is tough when we've grown up on a diet of "what is accepted" is no longer really a good idea. <br /><br />(Side Rant - I hate the GDMFPOS "Sign out" button that I seem to always click instead of "Publish." *Every* single time. And lose my comment.)Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-34105420841703466322016-04-06T11:26:56.262-04:002016-04-06T11:26:56.262-04:00Gamers complaining about political correctness?!? ...Gamers complaining about political correctness?!? What new madness is this?!?TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-47764100130029349562016-04-06T09:38:32.651-04:002016-04-06T09:38:32.651-04:00I think part of her issue is that "all Female...I think part of her issue is that "all Female games" is her shtick and feels that people are undermining her "Contessa" by having some of the BEST Gamemasters that ever lived run all female games. She truly feels that this threatens her as a "leader" in all womens gaming<br /><br />I have read her post and the guys that that are like "You need to rethink your feeling" remind me of the puppy whipped men who feel lucky to talk to a women and do anything for their approval.. to quote the Godfather "You can act like a man!"<br /><br />Just for the record, I never heard of her before this post so I had some light reading to do... <br />GMBARRYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01785827085934898195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-91172950664594079772016-04-06T09:27:24.956-04:002016-04-06T09:27:24.956-04:00Part of Stacey's argument is that male GMs are...Part of Stacey's argument is that male GMs are in a position of authority over female players.<br /><br />I see the GMs chair as a position of responsibility, not authority.<br /><br />There is a vast gap between those two viewpoints .Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-87153298238932754682016-04-06T09:25:41.117-04:002016-04-06T09:25:41.117-04:00Contessa is Female GMs, and gender players from wh...Contessa is Female GMs, and gender players from what I understand.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-69568765819804171312016-04-06T09:24:36.809-04:002016-04-06T09:24:36.809-04:00The question is Does Stacey run Events where men a...The question is Does Stacey run Events where men are allowed or does she strictly cater to Women only?<br /><br />I personally have only played in one Game ever where the DM was a women, it was her first time and she ran 3 sessions... the 3rd session was the best and she took charge of a mostly male game that the Guys had played together for a long time. by that time she was not a novice and ended being voted the Best Game master at the following convention. And the majority of her players were Males back in the Mid 90s<br /><br />I think she is upset in general without having played in or witnessed the event. <br /><br />I may bring my daughter with me if I attend Garycon next year and she would love these eventsGMBARRYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01785827085934898195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83059225919677897042016-04-06T09:02:35.866-04:002016-04-06T09:02:35.866-04:00Yea, this whole issue really got to me. Sure, I sh...Yea, this whole issue really got to me. Sure, I shake a fist to the SJW crowd more often than not, but to be honest not every SJW is a jerk. The article published by James Desbourah (I can never spell his name correctly)https://postmortemstudios.wordpress.com/ pushes back and I appreciate his candidness. ConTessa is a great idea and I hope it continues to grow and flourish. Having a wife in the gaming industry is a great blessing and I would love to see more women join the table, GM, write, produce, etc. Stacy really shoved a foot in her mouth and I feel has hurt the convention to some degree. She will never apologize (zealots never do), but perhaps someone can take the reigns from her and keep her idea and mission alive. James C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14703699913918871901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-24259429734165146052016-04-06T08:51:28.980-04:002016-04-06T08:51:28.980-04:00I'm just gonna say, "part of the reason I...I'm just gonna say, "part of the reason I became a cop nearly 20 years ago was that everyone in my department wore name tags in uniform and I suck with putting names to faces" has to be one of the best reasons to take a job. Ever. I also have a shitty memory; I wish I'd thought of that...The Malumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12971459955701026406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-89149615189341398672016-04-06T08:44:37.836-04:002016-04-06T08:44:37.836-04:00The Pundit wants attention and he gets it via &quo...The Pundit wants attention and he gets it via "shock and awe" in discussions like this.<br /><br />Sadly, if he has a point to make it's often missed behind the "look at me! I'm a vile beast and your all swine!" presentation.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-44004432388658928532016-04-06T08:44:19.994-04:002016-04-06T08:44:19.994-04:00Seems like every venue a person turns to for enter...Seems like every venue a person turns to for entertainment/distraction has someone else trying to demonstrate how and why you are 'doing it wrong'. Maybe that is their own personal avenue of entertainment? Either way, it seems like a niche argument to be sure - nothing to see here, movin' on.Dittogoblinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10036192170274439403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-44779150683923638782016-04-06T08:39:40.732-04:002016-04-06T08:39:40.732-04:00It wasn't just about your post, Tenkar. I'...It wasn't just about your post, Tenkar. I'm moreso referring to the discussion the articles generated,in the comment sections and elsewhere, rather than the articles themselves, though Pundit's article was vile trash (mores than usual). Jmoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10714529396023755545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-86864184218791813082016-04-06T08:31:18.441-04:002016-04-06T08:31:18.441-04:00What exactly is wrong with my post?
I disagree wi...What exactly is wrong with my post?<br /><br />I disagree with Stacey that there is only ONE WAY to empower women in gaming and to bring more women into gaming. <br /><br />Stacey's words: "Women Players - Male GM<br />It's not a cool thing to put a man in a place of power over a bunch of women."<br /><br />Again, I disagree with her. My wife disagrees with her. Other women who have played in sessions run by "Old White Men" (her choice of words) disagree with her.<br /><br />It's not that Stacey's goal is wrong - it's noble. It's her idea that only she can tell women the one true path and that all others are doomed to gamer's hell that get's depressing.<br /><br />I get that she doesn't like me (http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2015/07/as-much-fun-as-box-of-rocks-no-really.html) and that's fine. I'm okay with that. But she is alienating a large part of the community that she is supposedly trying to help - other women.<br /><br />As I said before, offer a better alternative to women in gaming to "Old White Men" as GMs and she'll have what she wants. I suspect though, that many female gamers would rather play in an All Female Players session run by Male Originators of the Hobby Whose Reputation as GMs is that of Masters to A Session GM'ed by a Female Novice.<br /><br />Take gender out of the previous sentence and the results will be the same.<br /><br /><br /><br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-54744500965828726492016-04-06T08:25:47.687-04:002016-04-06T08:25:47.687-04:00Dude. I was all for Stacey in the beginning, I eve...Dude. I was all for Stacey in the beginning, I even helped her promote her message, thought it was a great concept. I still think its a good concept. It just seems over time, she's slid into this dark place and she's just digging that hole in the dark place with her comments and statements. The Evil Dungeon Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10825613960264448920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-60222876374866899712016-04-06T08:10:42.975-04:002016-04-06T08:10:42.975-04:00Vincent, I haven't read every comment she'...Vincent, I haven't read every comment she's made on social media if that's what you're asking. Even so, I suspect you're reading into it what you what to read into it, and all of the stuff that goes into doing that, that I don't feel like unpacking right now.<br /><br />I will however say this: I've done alot of comment reading the past couple of days, specifically when it comes to women in the hobby (This, the pundit article etc) and what I've seen is not good. I'm talking specifically in the OSR here. I've heard people from outside the OSR making snide remarks about some of our attitudes on issues like this in the past, and I always brushed them off, saying it wasn't as bad as they thought it was etc. But honestly, now, I agree. I get it now. And it's depressing. Jmoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10714529396023755545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-44410652061759427072016-04-06T08:06:57.595-04:002016-04-06T08:06:57.595-04:00Jason, she's been harping on this since last s...Jason, she's been harping on this since last summer. There is an issue here, and it's the idea that there is only one way to achieve a goal, and it's Stacey's way or no other.<br /><br />I think Stacey can stand up for herself BTW. She is an adult female game designer, no?Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-45512812176974635322016-04-06T08:03:38.676-04:002016-04-06T08:03:38.676-04:00Tenkar, half of your response to me was this expla...Tenkar, half of your response to me was this explanation about that thing she wrote about you rather than the larger issue at hand. You sure this isn't about her just shitting in your cereal? Those adult male game designers I'm sure, can stand up for themselves. Jmoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10714529396023755545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-68129548174133163392016-04-06T08:03:38.138-04:002016-04-06T08:03:38.138-04:00Yes, really. Have you read her comments? Apparentl...Yes, really. Have you read her comments? Apparently not.The Evil Dungeon Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10825613960264448920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-4305996521537760632016-04-06T07:58:24.788-04:002016-04-06T07:58:24.788-04:00Fembot movement? Hates men? Christ, dude, really? ...Fembot movement? Hates men? Christ, dude, really? <br /><br />Jmoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10714529396023755545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88633334466480685922016-04-06T07:19:45.856-04:002016-04-06T07:19:45.856-04:00Soon as I read this, Stacey was the name that came...Soon as I read this, Stacey was the name that came to mind. Wasn't a shocker that Stacey and her Fembot movement is the cause of this. She really has dropped off the deep end with her started as an awesome concept to a full blown Fem movement that basically says they hate men (yeah she doesn't say it flat out, but look at her comments, she does)The Evil Dungeon Masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10825613960264448920noreply@blogger.com