tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post2104381679254764572..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: What's 10 Years Old and Losing Value Every Day? - The Gygax Trust (CRPG Games to be Licensed by the Gygax Trust via Crowdfunding)Tenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-9118071004602123212018-04-20T07:58:45.536-04:002018-04-20T07:58:45.536-04:00Certain language is not acceptable on the blogside...Certain language is not acceptable on the blogside, Randy.<br /><br />I've stated my opinion on the blogside. You don't get to state it for me.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-24755065108348469792018-04-20T02:11:54.152-04:002018-04-20T02:11:54.152-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Randy Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415135776841347161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-53402060087323444862018-04-19T20:38:11.676-04:002018-04-19T20:38:11.676-04:00In your other comment you said that the fou needs ...In your other comment you said that the fou needs of Fig created those games, not Fig itself. Which is it?Kevin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06076147424768269913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-80509036322503674402018-04-19T17:07:42.203-04:002018-04-19T17:07:42.203-04:00You do realize it was Gail and the Gygax Trust tha...You do realize it was Gail and the Gygax Trust that sued Gygax Magazine out of business, right? The magazine that Luke and Ernie were integral parts of and the mag that was beloved by the community. I guess you forgot that.<br /><br />It was Gail that threatened to sue me for a comment made by a reader here at The Tavern. Not something I said, something said by a reader.<br /><br />If you ask me If I have any love for Gail, I'll tell you no. The Gygax Memorial Fund is, at best, poorly managed. I don't hate her any more than I hate Kenny or Gareth. I just don't like them all that much for well documented reasons.<br /><br />As for the Trust, its 10 years now that Gary's works have sat and rotted, hoping for the huge payday that never happened. That payday, if it does happen, will benefit Gail. Possibly Alex. The rest of Gary's kids? Not a dime.<br /><br />I have nothing but good experiences with Gary when he was alive (we communicated via ENWorld back in the day). Same goes for his kids. Even Alex was gracious when we met as Gary Con IX (he did have choice words regarding me and the "annoyance" I was to his mother, but that was said to another, not me, and I understand why he feels as he does)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-76531014502848432132018-04-19T14:07:52.314-04:002018-04-19T14:07:52.314-04:00The hatred that you have towards Gary Gygax and hi...The hatred that you have towards Gary Gygax and his family is despicable.pizzlepopopohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567345012798815434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-18842677442732825812018-04-19T10:14:12.064-04:002018-04-19T10:14:12.064-04:00Gail earned her special place in my heart when she...Gail earned her special place in my heart when she threatened me with legal action for something I NEVER posted (and the retraction that she demanded indicated such nonsense)<br /><br />She's one of three to have done so in this hobby, none of them seem to understand the law as each of the threats were baseless.<br /><br />So yes, Gail and her mismanaged (in my opinion - possibly shared by others, but simply stating my opinion) Trust and Fund are not instilling confidence in my regarding this latest venture.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-23929445722214724852018-04-19T09:25:25.053-04:002018-04-19T09:25:25.053-04:00You use the term "snark" thinking it exc...You use the term "snark" thinking it excuses you from people calling you out on mean-spirited behavior, like it's all in good fun. It doesn't.<br /><br />And I no longer go to message boards or do any of that "tilting at windmills" crap anymore. Why bother arguing with selfish people who's minds are made up, etc.<br /><br />JRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06028363896728357260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-53682237144219523722018-04-19T09:04:44.769-04:002018-04-19T09:04:44.769-04:00JRT - right from the start of this post, I warned ...JRT - right from the start of this post, I warned it was full of snark. Glad I didn't disappoint.<br /><br />I'm surprised you aren't also commenting at ENWorld. The relevant news article is nearly universal with negative commentary from the community.<br /><br />Windmills await good sir!Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-56947923815691555832018-04-19T03:44:09.340-04:002018-04-19T03:44:09.340-04:00Eh, if anybody is whining here, it's Tenkar. ...Eh, if anybody is whining here, it's Tenkar. But when people don't have any good way to counter an argument, they resort to those types of insults.JRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06028363896728357260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-33579344864108516772018-04-19T01:04:50.410-04:002018-04-19T01:04:50.410-04:00Yeah Ja Dd is right. i was tired, and never really...Yeah Ja Dd is right. i was tired, and never really think of ip laws. and im not saying it would make a good game, just that the idea that Gary was really into that rings false to me. The guy who wrote the wither books hates the games, and the third one is loved. Robjechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645323902708054221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-32937471575734826952018-04-18T23:55:51.293-04:002018-04-18T23:55:51.293-04:00No better whining drivel than JRT's whining dr...No better whining drivel than JRT's whining drivel! Keep 'em coming.Badmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199830751033032585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-5545672857580974342018-04-18T16:47:42.844-04:002018-04-18T16:47:42.844-04:00What Ja Dd said.What Ja Dd said.Dr. Obscurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14915912787477812255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72158290965800585492018-04-18T16:12:17.238-04:002018-04-18T16:12:17.238-04:00Agreed, if Paizo had made a single player game (a ...Agreed, if Paizo had made a single player game (a la Baldur's gate or Neverwinter Nights) and/or contracted with a bigger and more capable studio they would likely have been fine. Hopefully the Trust does the same.Knighterranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00822024160361226180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-62612369537491266602018-04-18T11:06:33.148-04:002018-04-18T11:06:33.148-04:00In one interview, Gary (not quoting as gospel, but...In one interview, Gary (not quoting as gospel, but for reference): "The LA system will fail only if its audience diminishes." I guess Gary never considered that the game might fail if they unplug it as soon as he left this world.<br /><br />It doesn't make me angry. It's just sad. After 10 years, no one would pick that game in a store.Ikaroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13713846838494518139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83474523229665984832018-04-18T10:13:45.057-04:002018-04-18T10:13:45.057-04:00As their partner FIG said: "Once Alex is able...As their partner FIG said: "Once Alex is able to get the Gygax Games website up, that will be another avenue for submissions."<br /><br />Who announces a project to license video games without having a website up? Gygax Games, that's who.<br /><br />The announcement is great for Fig - its getting them more eyes, and close to worthless for Gygax Games. There is no website for folks to bookmark and return to.<br /><br />The Trust is good at making splashy announcements (Transformers Producer anyone) but coming through? Yeah, not so much.<br /><br />There's a reason for that. Gail, even when she makes these deals, won't give up any control.<br /><br />Now, is my post above shit full of snark? I specifically warned it would be. I generally reserve the extra love and attention to those that have threatened me with legal action. Groundlessly, I might add.<br /><br />This will be, as all things related to the Trust or the Fund, a whole lotta wind and nothing more.<br /><br />It is the desperate actions of someone who was waiting on a multimillion dollar payday that never happened. Never was going to happen.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-86582552740214160162018-04-18T10:06:02.382-04:002018-04-18T10:06:02.382-04:00Hi Erik,
the QS is still available here:
https://w...Hi Erik,<br />the QS is still available here:<br />https://www.dragonsfoot.org/php4/archive.php?sectioninit=LA&fileid=80&watchfile=<br />Ikaroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13713846838494518139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-69570593756062097812018-04-18T09:38:48.036-04:002018-04-18T09:38:48.036-04:00Hasbro will stop her dead to rights if they infrin...Hasbro will stop her dead to rights if they infringe on any of their IP. They have to. IF they don't then any writer can point to the works and say "Well you didn't sue her, why are you suing me?". Hasbro has to cover their IP regardless of who the author is/was. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299819790521445324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-33628761138712643562018-04-18T09:36:39.990-04:002018-04-18T09:36:39.990-04:00Paizo went their own way, did their own thing, wor...Paizo went their own way, did their own thing, worked with a small time publisher, and tried to release a WoW-Clone. Fig is a delivery platform and development pipeline, it doesn't make the games it works with people to make sure the games get done. The best thing the Gygax Trust can do is stay the fuck away from anything else besides putting their name on the logo. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299819790521445324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-41293655871817309092018-04-18T09:34:45.042-04:002018-04-18T09:34:45.042-04:00Fig is a great platform to make games with focused...Fig is a great platform to make games with focused groups of developers and help move a game from prototype to production. The guy who did Xcom is releasing a game on the platform, and I believe the new Battletech game from it. Fig is not just a company but a team of people who help small time developers get their shit done. They wont' take just anyone, you have to have all your ducks in a row and THEN you pitch to them. <br /><br />Tenkar sounds extra snarky in this posting. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299819790521445324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-40528464211018411642018-04-18T08:01:12.901-04:002018-04-18T08:01:12.901-04:00...Doesn't mean that some of his unreleased ma......Doesn't mean that some of his unreleased material wouldn't work in computer form and be fun to play. I think this is the aspect some of the grognards are missing here. Pool of Radiance, for instance, was based on 1E AD&D and was fantastic for its day. Who's to say there's not another RPG waiting to be made, based on Gary's unreleased stuff, that will be awesome? But haters are going to hate; it's what they do.Pete Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03438651595079082035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-42816995335907962192018-04-18T07:55:01.302-04:002018-04-18T07:55:01.302-04:00To be fair, Tenkar and crew are coming across as a...To be fair, Tenkar and crew are coming across as a bunch of small minded hateful trolls here, especially in the PNGs you posted, but the whole tone of the article is quite frankly shameful. I for one would love to play an CRPG based on some of Gary's unreleased stuff and I'm sure there are many others that would enjoy that too. Probably more than I enjoy Tenkars Tavern, especially if its going to degenerate into childish and hateful mud slinging.Pete Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03438651595079082035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-18869862177240532092018-04-18T07:24:44.425-04:002018-04-18T07:24:44.425-04:00Cody, I did not call the grognards sycophants--tha...Cody, I did not call the grognards sycophants--that's what you called me. Though I especially like "copyright worshiper", seeing how Gary valued copyright so much that he once had people go around to tear up the people making illegal photocopies of Chainmail and OD&D. <br /><br />My criticism is towards the people who sort of paint a skewed, idealistic picture of Gary as the starving artist, fighting against corporate corruption and eschewing popularity, when the reality was much different. This stuff about "dabbled in cartoons and movies and video games" is basically not the truth--he was seriously trying to succeed in that. <br /><br />The manuscript wasn't a Gord book, but a copy a reviewer tried to sell illegally for his own profit. <br /><br />"Greed and Injustice"--please have some perspective. You act like an unpublished manuscript is some kind of injustice, or that trying to sell to the widest audience is greedy. It's not. Languishing is a human emotion. If it's about the cancelled contracts, all the business parties have pretty much moved on to other things. <br /><br />I get disappointment, that's a natural emotion. But taking it to the extremes I see some folks doing is wrong and more insulting to Gary's legacy than any transgression they think the family is doing. It's a selfish desire based on the fans own greed to read the material in the format they desire most. I mean, all the drama over Alex basically admitting that the big market is in computer games--that's a fact--but people take that like its some kind of personal insult.<br /><br />It's also not like any works you bought in the past have disappeared. Some are out of print--but if you were a big fan you already had them, and the TSR era stuff is still in print, plus there's still DJ and LA stuff at Flea Markets. <br /><br />JRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06028363896728357260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-24342483111197568292018-04-18T00:50:02.005-04:002018-04-18T00:50:02.005-04:00I don't think WotC will stop her, just because...I don't think WotC will stop her, just because of the negative publicity, or at least I think they will kind of let this melt down on its own. What really gets me is all the talk about Gary wanting to bring things to digital and communicating with the fans. He had some pretty anti-video game post online a few years before his death (that have msotly been lost to dead servers and/ or taken down) <br /><br />Like he just never seemed big on video games, or their value as a role playing medium, and that is the kind of thing people will dig up if this goes anywhere. Robjechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645323902708054221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-67942855634857539732018-04-17T23:51:12.454-04:002018-04-17T23:51:12.454-04:00This story just gets weirder and weirder...This story just gets weirder and weirder...The Swartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13595743896849198208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-87523700115355802582018-04-17T21:49:04.932-04:002018-04-17T21:49:04.932-04:00Don't we all! It was great while it lasted.Don't we all! It was great while it lasted.Dr. Obscurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14915912787477812255noreply@blogger.com