tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post1794232747076032447..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum Claims Ownership of "Classic" TSR Logos, Offers to License them to OSR PublishersTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-76825267940786816892021-08-25T10:50:37.243-04:002021-08-25T10:50:37.243-04:00Megillah
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DEFINITION
one of five books of...Megillah<br />[məˈɡilə]<br />DEFINITION<br />one of five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Song of Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, and Esther) that are appointed to be read on certain Jewish notable days, especially the Book of Esther, read at the festival of Purim.Ranger11bvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005324267743459327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-24446984953850749272020-10-18T13:18:20.099-04:002020-10-18T13:18:20.099-04:00IIRC those are actually subclasses that are being ...IIRC those are actually subclasses that are being applied for, it's the main classes that matter.Christopher Stogdillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07831712020518883173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72496340152106242872020-10-18T07:09:24.782-04:002020-10-18T07:09:24.782-04:00You certainly can trademark a copyright-protected ...You certainly can trademark a copyright-protected image.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173759805310975320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-84623162640524310112020-10-18T07:07:52.777-04:002020-10-18T07:07:52.777-04:00There seem to be some good faith/bad faith issues ...There seem to be some good faith/bad faith issues around registering even a public domain TSR logo for your company, and implying you're their authorised successor. There seems a fair chance these TMs won't be granted, if anyone files an objection. Filing something that is (c) another company is a big no-no, of course.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173759805310975320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-67098371674485035662020-10-17T23:59:41.567-04:002020-10-17T23:59:41.567-04:00"New' TSR Games never tried to trademark ..."New' TSR Games never tried to trademark the old logos, just the word mark, yeah?Bryan Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12183443367798037491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-22598351160182183442020-10-17T11:01:04.995-04:002020-10-17T11:01:04.995-04:00You make some valid points.
The TSR webstite is s...You make some valid points.<br /><br />The TSR webstite is still up though: http://store.tsrgames.com/top-secret-new-world-order-hardback-book-limited-edition/<br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-38581467351141415362020-10-17T10:19:48.752-04:002020-10-17T10:19:48.752-04:00Does Wizards of the Coast even care about the old ...Does Wizards of the Coast even care about the old TSR branding? <br /><br />That's the biggest question. Keep in mind that if they were even the least bit concerned about this, they would have acted back when the "new" TSR was formed. They could have stopped that company from using their abandoned trademark, but they didn't, and neither did they stop the company from producing a new Top Secret game.<br /><br />That being said, using the three old logos in their exact original form could lead to a copyright issue. Copyright can in some cases protect the logo if it is artistic and very specific. A few of those are. <br /><br />But again, in this particular case, it's probably based on what Hasbro cares about. They may not care unless the logos are used to actually cause consumer confusion. The Current D&D doesn't use any of the old logos, they mostly show up in older material, and Wizards still has full copyright protection on them. Let's say, worst case scenario, the new Trademark owners tried to block Wizards from publishing an old D&D product, one of two things could happen. They just scrub the trademark from the product visually. Or, they may decide let's not reprint this and remove old products from release.<br /><br />It's possible that the new TSR is cool with the "newer" TSR taking over. Note the old web site for TSR is gone.<br /><br />What amazes me though is the thought that the TSR logo is valuable by itself? Why? Use of the logo is mostly based on nostalgia for the old products. And the new owners don't have any of that. Creativity does not equal branding. If you're first thought when acquiring a trademark is licensing it to third party publishers--that's not a very good business model.JRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06028363896728357260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-78433263365813746752020-10-16T20:29:11.012-04:002020-10-16T20:29:11.012-04:00Trademark and copyright are very different things....Trademark and copyright are very different things. You can't copyright a trademark. That is not how it works.bblackmoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617692481304880921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-23480188183707411472020-10-16T16:17:32.324-04:002020-10-16T16:17:32.324-04:00What is a magilla?What is a magilla?Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01248905587983891548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-50560163189127238632020-10-16T15:46:50.368-04:002020-10-16T15:46:50.368-04:00That would explain the email address and phone num...That would explain the email address and phone number I guess. He's the owner of the tattoo shop those point to.Barglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444169108167648625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-43358879555341746782020-10-16T15:42:40.213-04:002020-10-16T15:42:40.213-04:00from what I can gather from the link to the govern...from what I can gather from the link to the government's trademark website, a failure to respond / renew. I'm sure there ae others in the community that can make better sense of the information available at the link I shared in the post.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15418651325628520552020-10-16T15:41:10.517-04:002020-10-16T15:41:10.517-04:00Justin LaNasa appears to be the main force behind ...Justin LaNasa appears to be the main force behind the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum.<br /><br />Ernie is in a pic on the website, so I guess he is involved.<br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-76571796001175089762020-10-16T15:36:15.320-04:002020-10-16T15:36:15.320-04:00Is anyone else confused as too their contact info?...Is anyone else confused as too their contact info?: Isn't the street address one of Gary's old houses? Their email is for a tattoo shop in Wilmington NC and the phone is the cell of one of said shop's employees. WTF is going on here?Barglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18444169108167648625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72848087662970011002020-10-16T15:35:28.077-04:002020-10-16T15:35:28.077-04:00Who runs the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum? The Gygax ...Who runs the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum? The Gygax brothers?<br /><br />You say TSR Games has lost their trademark on the name? Any more info on how that happened?Deadstophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844595286531971355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72749234384418404662020-10-16T15:33:59.355-04:002020-10-16T15:33:59.355-04:00Who runs the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum? The Gygax ...Who runs the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum? The Gygax brothers? Is this connected to TSR Games (which, you note, seem to have lost that trademark) or an independent venture?Deadstophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844595286531971355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-12575432564338150712020-10-16T15:29:20.539-04:002020-10-16T15:29:20.539-04:00These clowns should have gotten a better lawyer.
...These clowns should have gotten a better lawyer.<br /><br />It'd be a shame to see the museum endeavor die due to some moron and his greed at profiteering from infringing copyright.Bryan Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12183443367798037491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-60621143857993789062020-10-16T15:01:15.132-04:002020-10-16T15:01:15.132-04:00Poking the bear. Why antagonize Hasbro? They can b...Poking the bear. Why antagonize Hasbro? They can bury Dungeon Shop in legal wranglings. Could they not hav ecome up with something original? <br />Dungeon Shop, if it wins out will only be asking for it with endless TSR refernces not related their game.Tim Telleanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15709641310650876038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-38128833666458607912020-10-16T14:29:16.152-04:002020-10-16T14:29:16.152-04:00Man WotC are going to be shaking when hobby shop d...Man WotC are going to be shaking when hobby shop dungeon asks them to remove their logo from all of the classic items they are selling on Drive Thru RPG. With all of the mess Hobby shop dungeon has got them selves into why would they open this can of worms.alvesedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671810964791774554noreply@blogger.com