tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post1447360560514069369..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Doing the Death Spiral - Bringing T&T's Death Spiral to S&W and FALTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-52563135388642308702015-03-26T06:43:22.773-04:002015-03-26T06:43:22.773-04:00I always liked the monster death spiral in T&T...I always liked the monster death spiral in T&T, it feel right for many monsters to be worn down in a fight.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-48013696825713421142015-03-26T06:42:55.639-04:002015-03-26T06:42:55.639-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-50631772182547455362015-03-26T06:40:50.133-04:002015-03-26T06:40:50.133-04:00If you have a death spiral is S&W (and similar...If you have a death spiral is S&W (and similar games), the monsters thatbkeep onn fighting into negative HP or berserker like foes shouldn't have a death spiral, undead shoudn't have one either (as they are dead already) unless being attacked by holy weapons. Regenerting creatures shouldn't have one either uness a DM wants to go insane.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74453037030825793422015-03-25T02:42:19.184-04:002015-03-25T02:42:19.184-04:00I admit, I considered the death spiral more of a b...I admit, I considered the death spiral more of a bug than a feature in T&T, I usually statted my monsters out in full for my home games....but then I also used saving throws for melee and ranged combats too. So yeah, heavily houseruled.Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-5545135019922398502015-03-24T19:38:39.494-04:002015-03-24T19:38:39.494-04:00I also like that the monster gets weaker at it tak...I also like that the monster gets weaker at it takes hits, but that still happens under the 7E rules. It's just that the decrease in strength is not so dramatic since its only the adds that are affected.<br /><br />Your comment about re-figuring dice is completely on-target.maasenstodthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901306527875471546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-39718649395367194202015-03-24T19:29:30.950-04:002015-03-24T19:29:30.950-04:00Yeah... Death Spirals outside of Giant Mecha games...Yeah... Death Spirals outside of Giant Mecha games just don't jive for me. I've seen people fight terrifyingly effectively while near death, and one guy in our gaming crew kept up his end in a firefight with his intestines around his ankles.<br /><br />The problem with Death Spiral rules is they generally operate based on damage only, without taking into account adrenaline and endorphins.<br /><br />That said, I've also included Death Spiral rules on the blog and in one of the issues of Dyson's Dodecahedron (issue 1 I believe).Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-2739862111982586912015-03-24T10:48:46.063-04:002015-03-24T10:48:46.063-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Douglas Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292678529266123501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-78988123825717402952015-03-24T10:45:17.709-04:002015-03-24T10:45:17.709-04:00The way GURPS does the death spiral is to penalize...The way GURPS does the death spiral is to penalize attacks for a turn. The round after you get thumped, you get a shock penalty equal to damage, capped at -4.<br /><br />Depending on where you are in the skill curve, this can be crippling (takes Skill-12 to Skill-8, which is 75% hit down to 25% hit) or trivial (Skill-20 down to Skill-16 is no net change in hit probability in the raw, but likely lowers your ability to do fancy-schmancy stuff like deceptive attacks or target hit locations).<br /><br />That's always been fine with me (though occasionally we wish for penalties to defenses too), and could easily port to D&D games by saying the turn after you get hit, you take a penalty to hit and/or your AC. So you're easier to hit and you have a harder time swinging to contact. Leave damage alone. <br /><br />The primary impact of lower hit chance and lower AC should be to force the hit character to fight defensively for a turn until the shock wears off.Douglas Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292678529266123501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-1693925710639816222015-03-24T09:46:09.694-04:002015-03-24T09:46:09.694-04:00It's a pro/con thing for some. A lot of folks...It's a pro/con thing for some. A lot of folks (myself included) like the idea of a monster getting weaker as it takes hits. OTOH, having the base damage stay the same even after damage relieves the GM of the PITA of having to re-figure every round how many dice + adds the monster is slinging.Smokestack Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06253933872608999580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-56544217681904865062015-03-24T09:28:53.812-04:002015-03-24T09:28:53.812-04:00I thought one of the best innovations of 7th editi...I thought one of the best innovations of 7th edition T&T was that while a foe's adds decreased as they took damage, their base damage dice remained consistent to the end. This really helped to mitigate the death spiral effect.maasenstodthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901306527875471546noreply@blogger.com