tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post1326049694549009492..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Kickstarter - Swords & Wizardry Complete Rulebook 3rd PrintingTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-60227430184622786432016-10-07T19:54:27.473-04:002016-10-07T19:54:27.473-04:00It looks more like an abstract piece of art that r...It looks more like an abstract piece of art that reflects the desire to convince people to not buy it. Especially women and children - Can women and children possibly be the target customers for ugly covers?MormonYoYoMan@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760670974938562837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-13297118125004589022016-10-07T19:54:09.962-04:002016-10-07T19:54:09.962-04:00It looks more like an abstract piece of art that r...It looks more like an abstract piece of art that reflects the desire to convince people to not buy it. Especially women and children - Can women and children possibly be the target customers for ugly covers?MormonYoYoMan@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760670974938562837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-6991473671339492092016-10-06T13:11:14.092-04:002016-10-06T13:11:14.092-04:00I agree with you sir,its hard to follow an Otis pi...I agree with you sir,its hard to follow an Otis piece but I have grown to like this illustration as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00976414263434869642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-69692613332091155552016-10-06T13:09:35.117-04:002016-10-06T13:09:35.117-04:00I agree with you sir,its hard to follow an Otis pi...I agree with you sir,its hard to follow an Otis piece but I have grown to like this illustration as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00976414263434869642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-10984213653692005312016-10-06T00:56:16.736-04:002016-10-06T00:56:16.736-04:00I don't know that there's any reliable way...I don't know that there's any reliable way to measure success in this case, given the stated goal is bringing younger folks and more women into the game. A small company like FGG likely is not compiling any real demographic/consumer data. So unless there is an influx in large enough numbers to be noticeable to the naked eye how will we know if it succeeded? And even if there is such an influx, how will we know whether it's because FGG added new art and thereby made the book more appealing to these demographics as opposed to the fact that the company is explicitly courting and welcoming these folks? Which is more important: that packaging or the signaling? (Just selling the new book doesn't seem like a good measure of anything unless we have some clue as to who is buying the book and why.)Christian Southwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08707980703756667883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-770661026186220792016-10-06T00:39:53.506-04:002016-10-06T00:39:53.506-04:00This is a third printing because the second sold o...This is a third printing because the second sold out isn't it? So we still won't know if it was the art or just its being back in print because there certainly is a market for it. I think the real key will be the people who buy the book. That will determine if investing in new art was a gamble that paid off.Ceronomushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07336196754943196901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-43572526639376127112016-10-06T00:04:33.340-04:002016-10-06T00:04:33.340-04:00All this talk about the cover is exactly why I rel...All this talk about the cover is exactly why I released 3 different covers for my White Box update. Hopefully at least one of them will appeal to the buyer.The Wandererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13795124533293727420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-41704899383161628252016-10-05T16:56:03.373-04:002016-10-05T16:56:03.373-04:00Yeah, the cover just isn't my cup of tea, so I...Yeah, the cover just isn't my cup of tea, so I think I'll pass this time.jrl755https://www.blogger.com/profile/03251134376898865222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-28850539829066058852016-10-05T15:22:36.158-04:002016-10-05T15:22:36.158-04:00It's a good piece, but not a great cover piece...It's a good piece, but not a great cover piece for composition reasons. You don't want to have any active elements where title text is gonna go, especially if it's a similar color. Making the title a bright red instead of transparent yellow and the subtitle a solid yellow would do wonders towards improving the look of the cover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-10481223733786492232016-10-05T15:15:23.855-04:002016-10-05T15:15:23.855-04:00Looks like a feverling. Nothing against the piece ...Looks like a feverling. Nothing against the piece itself, which is kinda neat in the way that Fire on the Velvet Horizon is kinda neat, this sure as heck does not look like it's going to "appeal to younger or female gamers", which is the whole point of a new edition, right? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-41383516218738353632016-10-05T12:50:34.057-04:002016-10-05T12:50:34.057-04:00I like the cover art, though it doesn't seem t...I like the cover art, though it doesn't seem to fit S&W (more LoFP). The design and art of the interior seems very well done.Shot of Entropyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09860634174753744789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-54657948578786549502016-10-05T12:37:39.180-04:002016-10-05T12:37:39.180-04:00To me it's reminiscent of a Cathy de Monchaux ...To me it's reminiscent of a Cathy de Monchaux piece. <br />https://g.co/kgs/JB8WIWMarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06536940404379312014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-53329778698875934792016-10-05T11:56:40.723-04:002016-10-05T11:56:40.723-04:00I'd put it on my wall, but it doesn't sell...I'd put it on my wall, but it doesn't sell me on the book.Ceronomushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07336196754943196901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-49726281021011460912016-10-05T11:19:36.606-04:002016-10-05T11:19:36.606-04:00Andy, I think most of what you are saying is besid...Andy, I think most of what you are saying is beside the point. Sure IP owners can do what they want, and potential customers can vote with their wallet. Who is disputing this? No one, I think. But potential customers can also review and pan or praise the product; that sort of marketplace criticism is ordinary and common. I think there is a lot more going on here than just potential customers being angry that "their tastes aren't being pandered to 100%." But ignoring your loaded phrasing, why would that be grounds for criticism even if it were true? Catering to customer preferences is what people in the business of selling things do, and we all avoid merchants who don't do that well enough (based on whatever our individual criteria happen to be). Christian Southwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08707980703756667883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-45601064152657235702016-10-05T10:58:04.315-04:002016-10-05T10:58:04.315-04:00Having read the mission statement more carefully I...Having read the mission statement more carefully I'll retract my rant in some mesure.<br /><br />It is indeed the exact same S&W, just with woman-made layout and art. It's still gimmicky as hell, but I like the examples of interior art very much, so except for the cover (why not sensibly-clothed fighting-woman, dwarf lady and sorceress taking on a dragon ?) it will probably be a very good product.ViPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252560131486864041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-10880631228056986502016-10-05T10:50:38.818-04:002016-10-05T10:50:38.818-04:00To summarize my point over on my own blog - I like...To summarize my point over on my own blog - I liked the old cover but it was a symbolic tie (through Otus and the B/X covers) to the old TSR. I think it can help Swords & Wizardry, which has been serving as a "little brother" to Pathfinder for a lot of Frog God releases, to develop its own aesthetic and identity.Wayne R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04118962136054206381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-60635714336343118972016-10-05T10:38:51.257-04:002016-10-05T10:38:51.257-04:00It turns out the image is deliberately abstract an...It turns out the image is deliberately abstract and was chosen because it DOESN'T represent anything. Here where Stacy explains her choice to use this art:<br />https://plus.google.com/+StacyDellorfano/posts/YtVkEMe1ivaTim Sniderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17390608104314125626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-5340695276960271852016-10-05T10:38:34.558-04:002016-10-05T10:38:34.558-04:00Sorry Erik, used wrong terminology there!Sorry Erik, used wrong terminology there!Andy Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417303953367838323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-39116098367757481422016-10-05T10:32:56.666-04:002016-10-05T10:32:56.666-04:00I'd love to know how this product appeals to w...I'd love to know how this product appeals to women and people under 40 in ways the 2nd edition doesn't. I'm 34 is it a 20 something appeal I'm missing? I showed the cover to my wife and she didn't find it appealing just weird. To be fair the 2nd edition cover wasn't appealing to her either its just not weird. Ulairihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607463247068182810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-8655680311748094522016-10-05T10:31:06.906-04:002016-10-05T10:31:06.906-04:00Who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? Ulairihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607463247068182810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-39085827583646405912016-10-05T10:27:42.376-04:002016-10-05T10:27:42.376-04:00Its not a new edition, just a new printing. The wo...Its not a new edition, just a new printing. The words and content are the same - art and layout has changed.<br /><br />And yes, S&W Complete 2nd printing is still available.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72722063278689786852016-10-05T10:23:23.729-04:002016-10-05T10:23:23.729-04:00Love the new cover, it evokes a sense of mystery, ...Love the new cover, it evokes a sense of mystery, which I like in my games. I didn't care for the old one at all. <br /><br />If you feel the opposite that's cool but I get the impression that this is only polarising to those who feel challenged that their tastes aren't being pandered to 100%. <br /><br />If the owners of the IP want to attempt to appeal to a different demographic it's their choice and their right to do so. If you think it won't work then, a) chances are the changes probably aren't aimed at you anyway and b) they're taking the risk not you, so what are you getting upset about?<br /><br />FWIW I don't think it'll be massively successful in achieving it's stated aims but it won't harm trying, and it'll give S&W a publicity boost.<br /><br />If it's not for you, exercise your right as a consumer and don't buy it - 2e is still available. Andy Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417303953367838323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-36333290323927240382016-10-05T09:48:54.673-04:002016-10-05T09:48:54.673-04:00The untapped reservoir of new OSR players, young b...The untapped reservoir of new OSR players, young boys or women of all ages, is a myth. OSR rulesets appeal to some DM and to them only. If they convince their kids, girlfriends, lapsed gamers or anyone to go the S&W way, fine. But the natural choice for the "Modern Family" crowd wanting to try that "RPG" thing already exists : it's new, it's shiny and full-colour and inclusively worded, it's slightly old school, it has got the brand recognition, it's D&D. <br /><br />That whole "request to create a product that would appeal to all genders" crap is virtue signaling and nothing else.<br /><br />I would agree that the new cover is better than the blood & semen one for Metallica's "Load", but not much.ViPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252560131486864041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-65519395206321145152016-10-05T09:26:55.989-04:002016-10-05T09:26:55.989-04:00Not a huge fan of the cover as a piece of art but ...Not a huge fan of the cover as a piece of art but on the other hand it doesn't turn me off. However for some reason I find the Swords & Wizardry logo really dissonant against it. I think if they had re-drafted the logo it would have made the cover less clangy.<br />foreshamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05861824286390603313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88248551230920988412016-10-05T09:24:16.085-04:002016-10-05T09:24:16.085-04:00I'll be blogging from this perspective later t...I'll be blogging from this perspective later today...Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.com