tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post8193172851800887987..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Least Liked Classic Demi-Human RaceTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-73630777268121663962015-07-15T04:19:39.529-04:002015-07-15T04:19:39.529-04:00This changes nothing about my dislike for the race...This changes nothing about my dislike for the race as a player race. I'm not very experienced in the 1e. Thanks for the correction. And although you seem to interpreted it that way, I did not want to imply that I think Salvatore invented them. I just think that he made them "cool and awesome and special"...that's when the race went downhill.(M)EFGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14844714674709738485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72992716440170295282015-07-14T17:10:08.582-04:002015-07-14T17:10:08.582-04:00UA, published in '85, predates R.A. Salvatore&...UA, published in '85, predates R.A. Salvatore's <i>The Crystal Shard</i> ('88) by three years. Vichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268174879688628707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-24652683067036865922015-07-14T17:05:01.697-04:002015-07-14T17:05:01.697-04:00Drow as a race made their debut in Unearthed Arcan...Drow as a race made their debut in Unearthed Arcana, which was 1e, not 3e. Vichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268174879688628707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83178904511274746972015-07-14T11:34:58.009-04:002015-07-14T11:34:58.009-04:00Gnomes, just never got a good handle on them. But...Gnomes, just never got a good handle on them. But I think I could do a Pathfinder flavored one or maybe a 5th ed one.<br /><br />Kender are great plot devices for the DM but as a race they make no damn sense at all.<br /><br />Tieflings, apart from the name, have some interesting story potential but less so if they are all forced into the same mold.Knight of Roseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11714883818499065249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15440578032691265682015-07-14T06:54:28.518-04:002015-07-14T06:54:28.518-04:00Gnomes are my favourite race, as long as you leave...Gnomes are my favourite race, as long as you leave the "tinker" aspect out. <br /><br />Kenders are pretty bad. <br /><br />I have to agree with Anthony Bird that any race that debuted in 3e onwards is craptastic. Dragonborn? *barf* Goliath? *pukes* Fucking Dow??? *stabs Salvatore*<br />The 3e-and-onward tiefling deserve a special place in hell for turning an actually interesting race - it had d100 tables in 2e to see what strange features an individual had - into a bland uniform (all have horns and a tail) race which is probably best friends with the drow player.(M)EFGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14844714674709738485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-63674000541478573522015-07-14T02:08:04.570-04:002015-07-14T02:08:04.570-04:00Amen brother, amen. Amen brother, amen. Anthony Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09277044420310965504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74047246629473871622015-07-14T01:54:24.140-04:002015-07-14T01:54:24.140-04:00Generally, I think I could play a poodle and have ...Generally, I think I could play a poodle and have fun doing it, so... ;)<br />But half elves... what's their purpose? They are just elves or humans, depending on who plays them... <br />And gnomes are awesome. Thief/Illusionists for the win. But it only works if your halfling ARE hobbits, so the difference is great enough for them to stand apart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83390354880982410062015-07-14T00:05:53.208-04:002015-07-14T00:05:53.208-04:00Dwarfs suck period! Either you get the heavily arm...Dwarfs suck period! Either you get the heavily armored battleaxe tank, or to "shake things up" a shield and hammer totally original concept. Their abilities usually drip with suckage too. jvineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05108835731517840359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-61533293540935087242015-07-13T23:15:03.362-04:002015-07-13T23:15:03.362-04:00I hate halflings for two reasons, they are all eit...I hate halflings for two reasons, they are all either Hobbits... which robs the LotR stories of their entire point since the idea was that adventuring hobbits were as rare as hens teeth, or attempts to cool them up as "not-your-fathers-hobbits" which are generally about as cool as middle aged white people in mom jeans rapping and overusing "My name is X and I'm here to say". <br /><br />Elves and Dwarves can be cool, but can also be boring and generic, Gnomes are always awesome in my book. Capheindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02997192956379221275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-84515998362749193972015-07-13T22:17:21.187-04:002015-07-13T22:17:21.187-04:00Gnomes generally--no good. Deep Gnomes (Svirfnebli...Gnomes generally--no good. Deep Gnomes (Svirfneblin)=awesome. Vichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268174879688628707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-39273826191327949252015-07-13T21:00:11.361-04:002015-07-13T21:00:11.361-04:00I have to admit that the half orc didn't even ...I have to admit that the half orc didn't even cross my radar... there was nothing about the race that spoke to my heroic story teller side.G-woulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18336463036435761982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-85690705547949560502015-07-13T20:26:10.103-04:002015-07-13T20:26:10.103-04:00Since we are talking "Player's Handbook&q...Since we are talking "Player's Handbook" here, the one race that NO ONE in my group ever played was the Half-Orc. A few feeble attempts were made to play one as a "challenge" but it always ended badly. Either no trusted the character or, well, no one trusted the character, if you catch my drift.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-46774249345709306682015-07-13T19:46:23.956-04:002015-07-13T19:46:23.956-04:001e is the same as AD&D. I was responding to t...1e is the same as AD&D. I was responding to the original post, which said gnomes talking to burrowing animals was a 3e innovation. Gnomes weren't available as PCs in OD&D.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-65004529304691690502015-07-13T19:39:08.752-04:002015-07-13T19:39:08.752-04:00I have never been a fan of Kender because it seems...I have never been a fan of Kender because it seems like they were designed for players to abuse. Seriously, a culture that is based on kleptomania and racial immunity to fear just doesn't sound like a culture that is meant for survival.<br /><br />Gnomes, I have always felt were under appreciated thanks to the stupid tinker perspective that was forced on them... I agree with others here that they work best as being woodland fey that are as acclimated to the woodlands, just as dwarves are acclimated to the cavern environment. I always felt that by giving them access to Illusionist magic, Gygax was creating a work around to his own rule that Dwarves did not have access to arcane magic. Otherwise, why would so many of the special abilities be similar?<br /><br />Personally, I had a bias against humans & dwarves for the longest time, but that was because I had a false impression of mundanity regarding them... Nowadays, I am more likely to pick a race (and class) just for the challenge of making a character that is just a little off from expectations. This opens the door for many additional role playing opportunities, but without having to cause unnecessary strain on the party.G-woulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18336463036435761982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-28140126590069170622015-07-13T19:29:14.868-04:002015-07-13T19:29:14.868-04:00Yes indeedie , the name alone is annoyingYes indeedie , the name alone is annoyingJDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-16273722048925764532015-07-13T17:33:11.677-04:002015-07-13T17:33:11.677-04:00Gnomes as woodland fey work better than any other ...Gnomes as woodland fey work better than any other concept that came later (i.e. - tinkers). <br /><br />@TheShadowKnows - Isn't AD&D == 1e... ? Or did you mean 0D&D? I was going to check the brown books to see if any reference to Gnome PCs exist in 0D&D...Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-59072213907091373072015-07-13T17:18:56.524-04:002015-07-13T17:18:56.524-04:00That's a shame. Dragonlance kind of ruined Gno...That's a shame. Dragonlance kind of ruined Gnomes (and Halflings, for that matter) and unfortunately, WoW continued that stupidity.<br /><br />Before the "tinker" stereotype, Gnomes were actually pretty interesting woodland fey (as opposed to their earth-dwelling Dwarf cousins)... I was not a fan of Gnomes until Pathfinder rebooted them. They can still be somewhat annoying depending on the player, but the backstory is much better and moves far away from the "tinker" gnome idea (which is a horribly bad one).Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-9969330961618609792015-07-13T17:09:18.528-04:002015-07-13T17:09:18.528-04:00Gnomes/ Halflings. Never really broke out from pla...Gnomes/ Halflings. Never really broke out from playing Human or Dwarf fighters.<br />Handgrenadealienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16616013296799287812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-27217189044135816922015-07-13T14:57:53.724-04:002015-07-13T14:57:53.724-04:00Tieflings. Eff those things.Tieflings. Eff those things.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04985838607939692373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-49414561045793067852015-07-13T14:27:24.816-04:002015-07-13T14:27:24.816-04:00Dwarves, never run one as a player.Dwarves, never run one as a player.Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15574639562975781372015-07-13T13:52:05.338-04:002015-07-13T13:52:05.338-04:00I hate everything to do with Dragonlance, so I hav...I hate everything to do with Dragonlance, so I have to agree with you about kender.<br /><br />Not to be a pedant, but gnomes in 1e could speak with burrowing animals. It's right in the PHB.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-53437066538522683462015-07-13T13:43:41.713-04:002015-07-13T13:43:41.713-04:00Gnomes, why did it have to be gnomes.Gnomes, why did it have to be gnomes.Rod Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824146866756155345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-67842662338323233172015-07-13T13:43:36.185-04:002015-07-13T13:43:36.185-04:00Gnomes, why did it have to be gnomes.Gnomes, why did it have to be gnomes.Rod Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12824146866756155345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-3041965184012165922015-07-13T13:42:49.565-04:002015-07-13T13:42:49.565-04:00I believe gnomes' ability to speak with burrow...I believe gnomes' ability to speak with burrowing mammals goes right back to AD&D. I always found that cool :)Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-18238273544977854272015-07-13T13:14:20.777-04:002015-07-13T13:14:20.777-04:00I have recently only played Humans, but I played...I have recently only played Humans, but I played a dwarf for several years. I Think I ran "dwarf" into the ground, I would not play a dwarf again.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793781986788315513noreply@blogger.com