tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post5665551964032225395..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: When Kickstarters Eat Their Young - The Doom That Came to Atlantic City - Raising the Bar for FailureTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-68247043849801720182013-07-25T22:33:26.219-04:002013-07-25T22:33:26.219-04:00This post was the first time that I heard about th...This post was the first time that I heard about this kickstarter, so my opinions about the creator were based on what Tenkar pasted above :pHex Oxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503933564866959945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-29982989575921288452013-07-25T13:48:18.192-04:002013-07-25T13:48:18.192-04:00To be scrupulously fair, and irrespective of what ...To be scrupulously fair, and irrespective of what one thinks of Veronica Mars as a TV show, Kristen Bell DID offer to fund a new VM movie out of her own pocket and the studio who owns the property said no way. Now it's entirely possible she was bluffing or the whole thing was a publicity stunt. Regardless, at least one "super rich" person involved with the show did make a public offer to fund the movie, and was turned down. The point of the Kickstarter was less to raise money than to convince the studio that there was enough public interest to justify making the movie AT ALL. In this, it succeeded.<br /><br />In any case, I'm fairly confident a VM movie will actually get made (whether it will be any good is another matter). That's in stark contrast to vaporware products like this one, which basically evaporate into moonbeams along with the money from the backers.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-89956159459143485472013-07-25T11:03:13.018-04:002013-07-25T11:03:13.018-04:00I think the problem is that the basic kickstarter ...I think the problem is that the basic kickstarter principal is being abused, its being treated as an ongoing business model, a way to avoid risk and liability (Fund super rich guy X's project so he doesn't have to, Veronica Mars kickstarter I'm looking at you), or as a lazymans pre-order. The thing is that, at least as I understand it, kickstarter is for getting an ongoing (or once off) project off the ground when you cant secure more traditional forms of funding. Its for getting the first print run of your game out there, or the first production run of your product, not every run. Its for that kid in some third world dump with a great idea but no funding, not so these jerks can rent an office and play executive without putting in any real work to start. Capheindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02997192956379221275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-74587885289219824622013-07-25T08:54:28.711-04:002013-07-25T08:54:28.711-04:00I guess Portland really is "where young peopl...I guess Portland really is "where young people go to retire."bad wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15804828431479742741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-22142666421019697622013-07-25T08:30:09.825-04:002013-07-25T08:30:09.825-04:00I had no idea anyone else said "Christ on a s...I had no idea anyone else said "Christ on a stick."R.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17096180855518446449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-52417502039647271602013-07-25T08:29:28.433-04:002013-07-25T08:29:28.433-04:00I was wondering when you would get a hold of this ...I was wondering when you would get a hold of this one.R.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17096180855518446449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-56139779390530088462013-07-25T08:21:29.592-04:002013-07-25T08:21:29.592-04:00First time, then. For months he's maintained &...First time, then. For months he's maintained "late, running behind, but should happen Q3 2013". Then "Um, yeah, pulling the plug".<br /><br />Apart from "things are taking longer than expected" I don't remember seeing _anything_ about having project-killing problems.Keith Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411665536982769550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-65692420080095167752013-07-25T07:41:46.215-04:002013-07-25T07:41:46.215-04:00The more of these I read, the more I'm tempted...The more of these I read, the more I'm tempted to do a Help Me Be Unemployed project. People could donate money so that I don't have to work. In exchange, I'll start a blog for my supporters so that I can keep up with all things I'm doing with their money. I'm thinking a mere $45K a year would be sufficient, unless my wife wants in on the deal, in which case I'll have to account for her lost income as well.<br /><br />Who wants in?Spes Magna Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11227255718841720326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-84000074100061494572013-07-25T05:36:46.281-04:002013-07-25T05:36:46.281-04:00"Sweet merciful bloodstained Gods! Have a fuc..."Sweet merciful bloodstained Gods! Have a fucking GAME before you think you need more than a name and a bank account to start a game company!"<br /><br />That's what's so galling. He DID have a game ready. Just needed production.Tim Sniderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17390608104314125626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15626497159605047232013-07-25T01:29:55.502-04:002013-07-25T01:29:55.502-04:00Did you read the part in the comments where Keith ...Did you read the part in the comments where Keith and Lee (and I believe their lawyer) made him post that last update and 'fess up'? Or the post about how this isn't the first time he has taken money and come up with nothing? Or the part where he used the money to quit work and move to Portland? Jeez, I want the names and bank accounts of the people who are going to let him slide or feel sympathy for this dick. <br /><br />Jason Zavodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13109502376214104276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-69568846741211080142013-07-25T00:29:34.177-04:002013-07-25T00:29:34.177-04:00I backed this, and followed up with Keith Baker, w...I backed this, and followed up with Keith Baker, who along with Lee Moyer, are trying to get a copy of the rules out to people who pledged. They retained a lawyer to get the rights from the publisher, a lousy piece of shit (Erik C.). <br /><br />Anyway, I would back anything by Keith Baker; that man is a class act. I am tempted to make the 3 hour drive to Portland (I have Erik's address), but my wife is much more level headed and thinks that would be a bad idea lolskeetyrbughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12782984668106887714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-78735919707652315062013-07-24T22:45:33.078-04:002013-07-24T22:45:33.078-04:00Honestly I think that they're banking on the f...Honestly I think that they're banking on the fact that the majority of people don't understand what it takes to start a business and they’re foolish enough to believe that if they want to start a business they must have everything - the office, the staff, the advertisements, the benefit packages, the nice furniture – from the start, ignoring the fact that many businesses start out in basements and garages and operate on shoe-string budgets for years before they can afford all the good stuff. <br /><br />And then there are the thieves who just want to hide behind excuses . . . <br />Dyvershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032957275132817602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-85975893275994460762013-07-24T22:18:03.129-04:002013-07-24T22:18:03.129-04:00What the hell does it take to "start a game c...What the hell does it take to "start a game company", anyway?<br /><br />You need about $100 to file a certificate of incorporation and another $100 to start a business bank account. And *maybe* $250 to get a CPA. And then...?<br /><br />What are these people doing? Renting office space? Hiring full time staff? Getting health insurance?<br /><br />Sweet merciful bloodstained Gods! Have a fucking GAME before you think you need more than a name and a bank account to start a game company!Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-4023928799441049782013-07-24T21:34:59.297-04:002013-07-24T21:34:59.297-04:00Too many failures to risk finding a Kickstarter th...Too many failures to risk finding a Kickstarter that's "doable."<br /><br />I'll continue to hold onto what little money I have.Mystic Scholarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07593826779432906953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-65258770447639568522013-07-24T21:07:20.898-04:002013-07-24T21:07:20.898-04:00i designed a monopoly parody game - printed 2 a3 s...i designed a monopoly parody game - printed 2 a3 sheets glued to board with cloth tape - used commonly available pieces and made version that players could build their own - very cheap and modest first effort - i wont try kick starter for new product till everything ready - money for some final spot art, printing and distribution would be all i needed - id have various contingency plans including my death or ill health and hand over pdf version DIY version immediately - sigh - it isnt that hard<br /><br />some rpg ones could hand over drafts with place holder vintage clip art rather than just promising best art and writing that never happens<br /><br />do you think modern boardgames are more risky than rpg books?Konsumterrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170560484656800416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-44148383038789892532013-07-24T20:33:30.775-04:002013-07-24T20:33:30.775-04:00I am soooo nervous about Kickstarters. Thanks, Mr....I am soooo nervous about Kickstarters. Thanks, Mr. Tenkar, for becoming the voice of the Better Crowdsourcing Bureau :)Stephen Newtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00550904853483525152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-86262119893406319632013-07-24T20:28:39.670-04:002013-07-24T20:28:39.670-04:00I know! Makes me feel good about how far I stretch...I know! Makes me feel good about how far I stretched 12k.Kiltedyaksmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03462341093016199620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-57667071839091093172013-07-24T20:11:38.038-04:002013-07-24T20:11:38.038-04:00Christ on a stick, what I could do with $123,000. ...Christ on a stick, what I could do with $123,000. And I'd actually DO the fucking thing.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-79949505769084233042013-07-24T18:50:36.889-04:002013-07-24T18:50:36.889-04:00Paying back a $123,000? Unless this guy makes some...Paying back a $123,000? Unless this guy makes some serious cash I suspect he may need money for lawyers to save him from potential lawsuits. To date I am supporting only one kickstarter and updates like this make me weary about new ones. Thanks for taking the time to investigate, post and inform.Padrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05722958681098483324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-70943727951244665552013-07-24T18:28:31.229-04:002013-07-24T18:28:31.229-04:00Jeez, way to burn down the banana stand. I'd l...Jeez, way to burn down the banana stand. I'd like to buy into his story but I suspect that a look at his tax records and receipts would suggest a lot of waste and mishandling/misappropriation of the money. My decision to avoid 99.9% of all Kickstarters continues to be a wise decision...dreamers and visionaries don't appear to make good businessmen (although a few might make excellent grifters).Doctor Futurityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586371999646337047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-69249256409619218292013-07-24T17:14:56.090-04:002013-07-24T17:14:56.090-04:00At least he's honest about where the project i...At least he's honest about where the project is at the moment and tries to fix the damage with refunds.<br /><br />Seems like it isn't a good idea to use kickstarter money to start up a new company (Nystul also spent some of the money on a new company). Keeping their jobs and finishing the project when they've time with longer expected release dates would've at least helped to speed up the refund process in this project.Hex Oxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503933564866959945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-17156495737958624962013-07-24T17:09:13.142-04:002013-07-24T17:09:13.142-04:00Ouch. Ouch. Reverend Dakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15589927717583694031noreply@blogger.com