tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post3149125375680477388..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: Beating the Dead Kickstarter - Myth & Magic Player's Guide - 2e Reviled and UndeliveredTenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-14466816887142581242013-10-21T20:41:57.720-04:002013-10-21T20:41:57.720-04:00Haha -- yes!Haha -- yes!SurrenderMonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867098480604057724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-25483715456490666862013-10-21T14:15:47.533-04:002013-10-21T14:15:47.533-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Teh Bagder (Jay)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11990479684994472511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-55180848522941403632013-10-21T14:15:46.167-04:002013-10-21T14:15:46.167-04:00There were a couple of pictures of books, as a box...There were a couple of pictures of books, as a box was opened in update #59 - picture 3 and picture 5 show more that. However, the's no evidence the other boxes were full of books.<br /><br />There have been more comments posted on the project, including a comment by someone who has allegedly been in contact with Tom recently.<br /><br />However, I believe it's all smoke and mirrors, not books were sent, and the last update was a stalling tactic.Teh Bagder (Jay)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11990479684994472511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-10306790611187383172013-10-21T08:28:05.611-04:002013-10-21T08:28:05.611-04:00Well. The whole thing is OGC. Hate to sound like ...Well. The whole thing is OGC. Hate to sound like a vulture or a ghoul, but people should take what they want from it and use it elsewhere.Timothy S. Brannanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02923526503305233715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-22134921914746242122013-10-19T13:41:15.739-04:002013-10-19T13:41:15.739-04:00First, there were no pictures of books, only boxes...First, there were no pictures of books, only boxes said to hold books. Completely different things. It's a good bet there were never any books. Second, he hasn't shipped any books, nothing would happen "between him and the post office" that would bungle 400 shipments. It's amazing how much enabling goes on between a con man and his victims. Badmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199830751033032585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15205956766097722162013-10-19T10:22:23.454-04:002013-10-19T10:22:23.454-04:00A deadline to communicate is only good if the part...A deadline to communicate is only good if the party you asking to communicate will communicate. Tom has failed to communicate at all over the past few weeks, and failed to deliver product. Some backers are now looking at how to report him at the state level as a consumer complaining, which is important, because he is a lawyer. Yup, that's the great irony of it all. In all states, layers are held to a certain standard. No matter that this isn't the type of work that he is normally involved in, he is still held to the standards of his profession, and failure to follow through on a contract or communicated can actually cause him some problems.<br /><br />All he needs to do is communicate with the backers and ship the books he has shared pictures of. He said he has. No-one has received any. That doesn't mean he hasn't shipped them, as something may have happened that is out of is control between him and the post office, but without him refuting this and clarifying and being out of communication, we can only suspect the worst.Teh Bagder (Jay)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11990479684994472511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-46920998152468842102013-10-19T06:06:04.629-04:002013-10-19T06:06:04.629-04:00Seems to me give the guy a deadline to communicate...Seems to me give the guy a deadline to communicate or file theft by embezzlement charges for those who pledged over 250 $ http://criminal.altmanllp.com/larceny.html I have always been concerned about KS policy's.ForgottenDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745040617370836738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-19257428192872909742013-10-19T04:12:25.171-04:002013-10-19T04:12:25.171-04:00I came to the Tavern for news and views but I stay...I came to the Tavern for news and views but I stay for the KS horrorshows.foreshamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05861824286390603313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-41721762847896388302013-10-19T03:49:59.463-04:002013-10-19T03:49:59.463-04:00NTRPG Con was one of the $500 backers on this (OUC...NTRPG Con was one of the $500 backers on this (OUCH!). So using the PDF available we might print out hardcopies and sell them at next year's NTRPG con to recoup the money. Not like anyone is going to complain about it! Badmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199830751033032585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-69099375773022100712013-10-19T00:32:47.336-04:002013-10-19T00:32:47.336-04:00You're right the PDF does look really nice. Yo...You're right the PDF does look really nice. You would think he would just send that off to some cheap printer and at least get SOMETHING out to the backers. But RedWulf hit it right on the head.. I've met someone like that before.. Luckily I didn't really get burned... Just mad like he was when I found out I was being swindled the whole time.LuketheGoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11111071990130085742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15412239357389823032013-10-18T23:47:30.274-04:002013-10-18T23:47:30.274-04:00use the link in the comments section of the kickst...use the link in the comments section of the kickstarter page (it's linked in the post)<br /><br />no watermarks, no passwords, no additional cash in Tom's pocketsTenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-73574132693090371792013-10-18T23:45:22.939-04:002013-10-18T23:45:22.939-04:00He gave out OBS codes/coupon links using the Kicks...He gave out OBS codes/coupon links using the Kickstarter backer only updates. I missed them and by the time I found out, he had already entered his elusive phase. Despite asking, I received no response. My original copy was the password protected one. Which is silly given the standard amongst similar OSR games (or even in regards to non-open proprietary system games on PDF), especially funny for one based on an older edition of D&D and one build upon the OGL.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10994932732115376322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88009039228592910972013-10-18T23:11:12.228-04:002013-10-18T23:11:12.228-04:00my old version is watermarked, no password - OBS w...my old version is watermarked, no password - OBS with my account, so i am assuming he gave out codes at some point (or maybe it's a reviewer's copy)Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-52823128825666153852013-10-18T23:09:11.253-04:002013-10-18T23:09:11.253-04:00it is possible
it is possible<br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-2084042335068000412013-10-18T23:08:16.657-04:002013-10-18T23:08:16.657-04:00Maybe someone removed it.Maybe someone removed it.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10994932732115376322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-17056844361700253802013-10-18T23:07:31.913-04:002013-10-18T23:07:31.913-04:00I sent out the Adventures Dark and Deep Bestiaries...I sent out the Adventures Dark and Deep Bestiaries on October 8 via Media Mail, and even including the time to print them (!) they've been landing on people's doors this week. No way this is a post office issue, unless all 209 packages are sitting in a room someplace, forgotten.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-18292723505198080302013-10-18T22:57:24.878-04:002013-10-18T22:57:24.878-04:00i thought the final PDF had no password.
shit, th...i thought the final PDF had no password.<br /><br />shit, the one linked in the comments on Kickstarter has no watermark or password...Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-59954704032254653892013-10-18T22:55:40.769-04:002013-10-18T22:55:40.769-04:00When did Tom offer the PDF version without the pas...When did Tom offer the PDF version without the password?Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10994932732115376322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15411673969848526242013-10-18T22:41:44.108-04:002013-10-18T22:41:44.108-04:00and "free" at the moment, assuming one h...and "free" at the moment, assuming one has no qualms stealing from a thief...Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-22875627547428456672013-10-18T22:40:13.397-04:002013-10-18T22:40:13.397-04:00I know. Been following these posts and the situati...I know. Been following these posts and the situation around this. Tom has really earned his reputation with this one. As said - tis' a shame because the rules are good.Zdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10438974759763824409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-80232883013656664832013-10-18T22:34:32.858-04:002013-10-18T22:34:32.858-04:00I get stuff from finland in 3-5 days usuallyI get stuff from finland in 3-5 days usuallyTenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-73573915728078582152013-10-18T22:33:45.409-04:002013-10-18T22:33:45.409-04:00The USPS has stepped up their game over the past y...The USPS has stepped up their game over the past year or so. Media Mail deliveries usually arrive in 3-5 days. Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192212467523179768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-64864274089303632862013-10-18T22:33:27.701-04:002013-10-18T22:33:27.701-04:00I've posted about it fairly regularly recently...I've posted about it fairly regularly recently:<br /><br />http://www.tenkarstavern.com/search/label/myth%20and%20magicTenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-10519088558541558192013-10-18T22:31:26.808-04:002013-10-18T22:31:26.808-04:00Thanks for the post Erik. Wonder if it has been sp...Thanks for the post Erik. Wonder if it has been spurned on by one of my recent comments. Anyhow - I really feel bad about this. Mostly because I am a fan of 2e and the system is decent and had potential to be a really cool update/alternative to 2e. <br /><br />I am happy I did not invest in this and believe me I was tempted to do so. Tom is generally probably the biggest failure in the RPG Kickstarter world. Mike Nystul at least had the balls to admit he failed everybody and Dwimmermount has handed off to somebody else to finish. So basically Tom has done 2 Kickstaters and then just dissappeared. Zdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10438974759763824409noreply@blogger.com