tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post1626618691090284934..comments2024-03-27T20:09:00.283-04:00Comments on Tenkar's Tavern: How Much Actual "RPG News" is There to Report?Tenkarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-91632934010080466272016-09-09T10:38:54.282-04:002016-09-09T10:38:54.282-04:00Oh yeah. The forums are mostly a cesspit. Some of ...Oh yeah. The forums are mostly a cesspit. Some of the biggest jerks are the high post count users and they never get a wrist slap for being assh@les.Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-54961881318103649402016-09-09T10:35:00.350-04:002016-09-09T10:35:00.350-04:00No worries.No worries.Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-60941414924395640622016-09-08T11:44:11.211-04:002016-09-08T11:44:11.211-04:00strangely enough, even morrus doesn't consider...strangely enough, even morrus doesn't consider press releases "actual news":<br /><br />Help Us Expand EN World's News Coverage!<br />EN World has been reporting on tabletop roleplaying game news for 16 years, since it was Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News, and is one of the oldest and largest RPG communities in the world. We have a roster of columnists, including Russ "Morrus" Morrissey, Chris Helton (previously at Bleeding Cool), Darryl Mott Jr. (previously at Ain't It Cool News), Angus Abranson (industry veteran who co-founded Cubicle 7), Michael Tresca (formerly of The Examiner), and Sean Patrick Fannon (of Evil Beagle Games). But we want to do more!<br /><br />EN World's news will always be free. This Patreon will allow us to expand our coverage. We want to cover ALL the tabletop roleplaying game news for you. Whether you are a fan of D&D, Pathfinder, OSR, Star Wars, Shadowrun, Cypher System, World of Darkness, Fate, Savage Worlds, Warhammer, Star Trek, or more, we want to have you covered.<br /><br />That requires funding. More articles from more columnists, providing the actual news (and not just the press releases) about your favourite tabletop roleplaying games. With your help, we'll expand our coverage to be a comprehensive, one-stop location for all your RPG news needs. We'll grow this into the professional, focused, journalistic publication that the RPG industry deserves! Our columnists are biting at the bit to be let loose and start working hard on keeping you informed.<br /><br />Please check out EN World's new Patreon and contribute if you can! Thank you!Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-15047369387605659262016-09-08T11:18:17.069-04:002016-09-08T11:18:17.069-04:00ENworld became a very toxic site years ago when Er...ENworld became a very toxic site years ago when Eric handed it off. Well, actually shortly before that really. The moderation there is very one-sided, and I've often gotten the impression that many of the arguments and debates that go on involve moderators using "socks" to avoid giving the impression that they're part of the group stirring the pot. No way to back that up, but its a very strong suspicion I have after years of lurking on their forums and seeing how lopsided the moderation is. I stopped posting years ago but occasionally pop in every now and then to see if there's anything worth seeing. Not surprisingly its the same-old-same-old. Phil Pearsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08971686942811685680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-8304467420477463332016-09-08T01:18:32.235-04:002016-09-08T01:18:32.235-04:00Thank GOD.. I never understand why people worship ...Thank GOD.. I never understand why people worship at the feet of ENworld (Morris) and throw money at them.. Don't get it.. <br /><br />I HATE the way he posts his "News" he NEVER quotes a source. <br /><br />Ugh.. Just ignore them, I always hope one day they will just go away... <br />Weldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08660179537470661027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-20053787076738256462016-09-07T21:21:40.060-04:002016-09-07T21:21:40.060-04:00According to ENWorld, just one other, which went u...According to ENWorld, just one other, which went up 5 days prior to the GURPS one.<br /><br />http://www.enworld.org/forum/list.php?category/37-SponsoredTenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-47972257092877880892016-09-07T20:57:07.566-04:002016-09-07T20:57:07.566-04:00What other ones was there besides the GURPS one?What other ones was there besides the GURPS one?Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-88010459988654114302016-09-07T20:21:19.141-04:002016-09-07T20:21:19.141-04:00Now? Nothing - all the sponsored bits have disclai...Now? Nothing - all the sponsored bits have disclaimers, even the ones that didn't before. Which is as it should be.<br /><br />Without the post in question bringing that to the forefront, that never would have happened.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-35429775406137247612016-09-07T20:02:19.188-04:002016-09-07T20:02:19.188-04:00Again, what I said was dealing with Chris only. So...Again, what I said was dealing with Chris only. So yes, you are putting words in my mouth.<br /><br />Anyone can pitch anything. Gender has nothing to do with ANY part of this discussion.<br /><br />My dislike of Chris has NOTHING to do with his gender or the gender of anyone he associates with. It rests solely on HIS personality.<br /><br />My assumptions are based on my predispositions towards Chris, which I feel are strongly based on my personal interactions with him.<br /><br />If I have issues with people, gender plays no role. Asshatedness crosses gender lines.Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-90993105864881540352016-09-07T19:11:33.223-04:002016-09-07T19:11:33.223-04:00You are moving the goalposts.
When they post stuf...You are moving the goalposts.<br /><br />When they post stuff about their own material, take it the same way you would take ANY publisher talking about their own material. It's not like they ever hide their involvement in their own products. Russ has been publishing stuff for basically as long as ENWorld has existed.<br /><br />What other sponsored news bits have they been posting without indicating that they are sponsored by the news provider?Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-87333620830865514592016-09-07T19:08:15.364-04:002016-09-07T19:08:15.364-04:00"probably the one that got her S&W projec..."probably the one that got her S&W project successfully pitched"<br /><br />Are you seriously putting it out there that she couldn't pitch her own projects?<br /><br />The amount of crap leveled at this new edition of S&W just keeps piling up and reads more and more as sexist every time it comes up.<br />Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-83423429350412263362016-09-07T19:07:48.085-04:002016-09-07T19:07:48.085-04:00I'm not putting words in your mouth. The botto...I'm not putting words in your mouth. The bottom stuff is what I get hit with every time I say ANYTHING positive about Stacy by other people.<br /><br />The words I'm putting in your mouth are the implication that Stacy couldn't do this on her own and thus Chris must have done it. Sorry I included the SJW stuff in the same post, but I get fed up with this label being thrown at me for doing good things and then being used to describe supposedly horrible things. I'll delete the post and repost it without the SJW part since it could easily be misconstrued as having to do with you, which it doesn't.Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-66005682821143817372016-09-07T18:18:08.905-04:002016-09-07T18:18:08.905-04:00Just to correct my previous post. I have since tal...Just to correct my previous post. I have since talked to the person I spoke with at Enworld about pledging for the Patreon. And - I had drastically misread their tone - as can sometimes easily happen over email. So - really not so much with the "terseness". Also - apparently - my contact at Enworld was incorrect about their policy on pledge levels. You can "go big" at the higher levels for a time and then adjust your pledge to a different level after that. So - things were not quite what they seemed. mikelaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162939604460356247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-89256619322086462022016-09-07T17:46:01.549-04:002016-09-07T17:46:01.549-04:00and the sponsored posts that were masquerading as ...and the sponsored posts that were masquerading as news? that's OK then?<br /><br />as for whether or not press releases are news (not saying they are not informative and useful) is in the eye of the consumer I would guess<br /><br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-55875479058615266252016-09-07T17:39:51.216-04:002016-09-07T17:39:51.216-04:00Holy fuck dude! Stop putting words in my mouth.
R...Holy fuck dude! Stop putting words in my mouth.<br /><br />Real story - Chris "I've got all the connections" Helton approached me about doing a Swords & Wizardry Appreciation Day after I ran one for BFRPG. He set up the meeting with Rachel at the Frogs. We got it all planned out. Then he left me holding the bag to organize and run for over 130 blogs and was happy enough to take credit.<br /><br />Nothing to do with gender. Everything to do with Chris. I tend to be suspicious of Chris and his motives after what happened with me.<br /><br />As for the rest of your rant, I have NO idea where it came from. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I or any of the other commenters have said.<br /><br /><br />Tenkarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159289652051155824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-72905812751161181872016-09-07T17:13:41.482-04:002016-09-07T17:13:41.482-04:00As a marketing guy - press releases ARE news. That...As a marketing guy - press releases ARE news. That's why we write them and why people publish them.<br /><br />Claiming they are not news because they are not breaking news or investigative journalism is obfuscation and misdirection.Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-40496371905399476352016-09-07T17:11:18.199-04:002016-09-07T17:11:18.199-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-28122024995077442152016-09-07T17:07:48.925-04:002016-09-07T17:07:48.925-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-23838387400700211622016-09-07T17:03:12.286-04:002016-09-07T17:03:12.286-04:00If someone doesn't post the press releases, th...If someone doesn't post the press releases, then they never get reported on and we never read them.<br /><br />Which kind of slaughters the whole point of making press releases, and makes it a lot harder to find out about new stuff coming out.<br /><br />I've discovered a LOT of awesome stuff courtesy of ENWorld.<br /><br />Including the OSR.Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-46595010830575809362016-09-07T13:12:57.178-04:002016-09-07T13:12:57.178-04:00I think posting sponsored content is fine, but it ...I think posting sponsored content is fine, but it MUST be properly labelled. If I'm reading an article and the author makes some claims about a product ("fast combat and deep setting!"), even if they are opinion oriented claims ("this game is great!"), I'd consider these statements in a different context if I knew up front the article was paid for by the company who made the product. I wouldn't automatically discount it, but it wouldn't get the same weight as a completely unbiased article. Similarly, I'd treat a press release differently than a review.<br /><br />I WOULD be tempted however to completely disregard a review or opinion article on a product if I found out afterwards it was sponsored content and the author/website didn't disclose it. After all, if regardless of sponsorship one truly intends to be unbiased, why NOT be upfront about it?<br /><br />Imagine this scenario: "ABC RPG INC" publishes the "Acronym RPG", and then on their own site posts an overwhelmingly positive "in depth player review" written by a known employee. Who would take such praise seriously? Who would not laugh if ABC RPG INC then claimed to be an unbiased RPG news source? The fact is, what Erik is posting about at ENWorld is really only one step removed from such a ridiculous scenario, thus it warrants the criticism he's levied against them. Especially since the solution is so simple and easy - just tell us when there is a bias.<br /><br />I think it all boils down to trust. Is "x" trustworthy? Can I trust "x" to be unbiased when they say (or are not stating either way) they are unbiased? If criticisms or even factual but unflattering information isn't allowed, the article in question is about a friend of the author or is being paid for by a company, and such biases are not disclosed, AND such biases are subsequently discounted by the site when brought up, it severely erodes the trust factor. As a reader, I am then left wondering how much credence I should give to anything posted there. I end up feeling betrayed and manipulated by a source I thought was trustworthy.Spiralboundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01058997643317547694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-9367113816107652392016-09-07T12:37:46.419-04:002016-09-07T12:37:46.419-04:00Cool. Thanks, PhilCool. Thanks, Philmikelaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162939604460356247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-78257880486791223822016-09-07T12:05:13.007-04:002016-09-07T12:05:13.007-04:00Yes, we're going to try this for a year. We fi...Yes, we're going to try this for a year. We figure it's also a good place to talk about upcoming games like the new edition of Car Wars, new Munchkin releases, and the new Ogre game.Philip Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13560572250799409531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-66582126910022509662016-09-07T11:54:27.736-04:002016-09-07T11:54:27.736-04:00Phil - are you guys going to be subscribing at the...Phil - are you guys going to be subscribing at the $50 level for a year? <br />Just asking because - I had inquired about whether I could pledge $50 just for a month when I wanted a story run (and $600 a year is a bit steep for my advertising needs)- and I was told (a bit tersely) that that would be gaming the system and frowned upon. mikelaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162939604460356247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-7122634218534646752016-09-07T11:46:19.234-04:002016-09-07T11:46:19.234-04:00This was my suspicion; I think I blocked him due t...This was my suspicion; I think I blocked him due to his inability to argue. Some of this stuff I didn't know.Will Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03698278637449036933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1724254580047847936.post-14901910513920020412016-09-07T11:40:12.726-04:002016-09-07T11:40:12.726-04:00This was my suspicion; I think I blocked him due t...This was my suspicion; I think I blocked him due to his inability to argue. Some of this stuff I didn't know.Will Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03698278637449036933noreply@blogger.com